only VK can help this camera sell, otherwise I can not see any strong points, today we have so many tested patches for gh2,

as much we know about GH3 is more and more disappointing

long live GH2 and VK crew, make a donation I will

Ops sorry obviously didn't check ;) thanks for the info thepalalias.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev Since Inoue is a "senior engineering planner" at Panasonic what you say about him not knowing if the GH3 HDMI is 4:2:0 is not likely.

As for the sensor...he said "no comment". If it was made by Panasonic and not from Sony (or someone else) why would he/they be so reluctant to say so?

@danyyel I hear you and understand what you mean, but the BMDCC is a good example of how things got better (and some of the SLR Magic lenses have been spoken of as improving similarly by certain members of their beta team).

There may not be the highest chance that Firmware changes will fix it before release, but there is still a real possibility.

When it comes to the current discussiom about GH3 vs GH2, I am tempted to paraphrase (by their mid-90s names) Notorius B.I.G. and Puff Daddy.

"Mo money, moire problems."

When it comes to the moire, I feel that Panasonic have a fighting chance of correcting whatever issues may be present before the camera is released, but the truth is that we have insufficient data to know whether it really is more of a problem than the GH2 at this point.

@RatLabProductions I switch cameras around a bit so I will take a swing at that question.

The GH2 sensors strengths were:

• Crop factor desirability and flexibility compared to many other M43 offerings.
• Video downsampling/rescaling quality.
• Video side effects of the downsampling/rescaling included better moire handling, detail preservation and resolution than competing DSLRs at the time of release (and for a long time after).
• Great ETC option for telephot shots (though noise could be better).
• Framerate: better than some, worse than others but definitely a plus for many U.S. customers with 24P approach at time of release.

Weaknesses:

• Dynamic range.
• Banding.
• Incosistent shadow handling.
• ISO (in terms of low ISO noise in particular - ISO range was better tahn initially expected).
• Rolling shutter.

Now the market is far more competitive now than when the GH2 was released so people are expecting new things. But the GH2 was (and is) one of the best video offerings in the price range.

How the GH3 compares in terms of strengths and weaknesses (for instance if it turns out to handle moire more poorly than the GH2 or if it handles it better) could be what makes the difference for some potential customers, more so than new features like 1080 60P.

Oh and here is a list specific to the hacked GH2.

Video Pros:

• Unusually high quality options for the codec.
• Lots of GOP choices.
• Customizable bitrates (including unusually high ones for practically every mode on the camera).
• ISOs from 160-12,800.
• Great I-frame only support with unusually good noise structure preservation.

If you want to really see a lot of what the GH2 does right and also where it falls short, a fair comparison is the C300. The two cameras have more in common (sensor-wise) than a lot of other pairs, even though they are different sizes. But the C300 has the edge in several areas and I cannot think of many IQ areas where the situation is reversed.

Yes looking at the shot I am thinking the same thing. It could be a very sharp less and perhaps some Panasonic processing that we see with there lens. It does look a lot like Sony Nikon d600 moire. That is, not coloured moire like we use to see with the Canon but just a monochrome wave like moire.

I think that Vladnik is right, it may be the combo of the lens and camera.

The stuff I watched I just couldn't see anything nearly as bad as what was in that guys' short, and the footage wasn't done with Panasonic glass.

Oh well, time will tell.

In last resort we can have a mosaic filter for the gh3 :-)

There is so much more to the image of a camera than what Sensor is used. Yes it's a huge part of the system but there is so much more about how the image is processed. I could care less about what brand of sensor is used. I'm more interested in how the entire system works and in the case of the GH3 I think there is improvement all around. We still don't have the final version so it's hard to say just how much has changed, but so far I can see that Moire/Aliasing is not a consistent problem. In time we'll get to the bottom of it as to what is causing the problem.

The GH3 footage has IMO been very spotty so far. Sometimes looking great other times looking less impressive. It will take time to see what is the best way to get the best image. I also hope that we'll again see a hack to add a few things and improve image just as we've seen with the GH1/2.

Any news on the color profiles? Can we get a flatter image?

Her eis another short one:

@mpgxsvcd I will PM you since this is not really GH3 specific for the rest, but I will just take a monet to quickly address the bitrate part on the GH2.

On the GH2, the choices for 30P capture were (for the most recent firmware) HBR or 80% mode. If I wanted to get the maximum frame size with hacked setting for 30P capture, 80% mode completely outperformed HBR in the demanding hacked settings that supported it.

On the GH2 the choices for capture rates above 24P were HBR, 80%, SH, H, FSH, FH. SH and H supported higher frame rates but the hacked settings typically gave a much lower overall bitrate (which was in turn divided up among a greater number of frames). To try and preserve the maximum individual frame quality, I would sometimes shoot at 50P instead of 60P for my slow-motion.

So what I was saying about the GH3 is that if we have a similar situation, where the 24P settings can be pushed further than the other modes (for instance right now All-I is supported for 24P,25P and 50P but not 60P) and the VMM slow-mo modes are based on the 24P codec settings again, then there may be codec advantages to shooting it that way.

I will write a PM about the music video stuff now.