Problem with us from "Western civilization"(and I include also Russia) is ignorance. We think that only our model of "happiness" is the best. IMO democracy is the worst political system but the best available ;)but we can't place on the strength of it where you want.Which are subject to the laws of physics do not like revolution, like evolution, and this takes time. Much time.
There is a joke in my coutry : " The difference between democracy and autocracy is that in autocracies the government does what it wants and the people have no right to interfere, and in democracy people have the right to interfere and the government is doing and so what he wants" :-)

>I think that you got me slightly wrong. I do not mean 60-70% payment for something. I mean present, constant payment without anything back. For debts made before this moment and not by you personally.


ah, yes, i understand : like a mean income tax. Well, indeed that is happening where i live. We allegedly have a social welfare system with a 60% mean income tax, but provisions are cut every year, and people have to rely on private insurance for health care and unemployment benefits more and more.


>Most of this information is filtered. System allow you to know some part of the truth. One that is pretty safe. Like managment bonuses - absolutely unimportant thing. They tell you about debt, slightly, but do not inform that monetary governors are doing, their techniques, constantly collapsing credit volumes, spending cuts and distribution of this cuts among budget parts.

Yes i understand. Like the 1924 capital must protect itself quote, where we are all wrapped in a system that doesnt' allow major changes, because the root of it is controlled by a minority.


>Most of "revolutions" in Arab countries had been made by democratic world, because soon they won't have money to pay for oil and gas, so they just wan to expropriate them :-)

I do think they are revolutions that stem from the desire of the population in the Arab world. How else would you explain so many people resisting such horrific violence by their government?

I think people from Eastern Europe and ex-USSR (of course not everyone)are in better situation because we have got practice in filtering of information from media and government :).We don't "buy" everything and we are suspicious. Unfortunately Vitaliy has damn right that people always believe lies. Reality bites and its easier live with our imaginations.So do I :). I believe in a world without borders where the sky is the limit. I think its utopia :). We are animals that think ( not everyone) they think.
Today, I've got another point of view then yesterday : I WILL BE A FATHER :) !!! So I can only sing :"Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life" :). Ok, tomorrow will came to me and bites my ass but today : Who cares ? :)
Cheers for everyone !!!

Yes, 60-70% is what most people are paying today. In my country the price of houses since 1990 has doubled, so working people are now paying mortgages over a period of 30 years on average, just to have a place to live in!
I expect though that there will be some kind of democratic rectification, like in the days of the French revolution, like you see people uprising in the Arab World, China, but also in the US and Europe. The same channels of information are also used to inform people about management bonuses, banks' and hedge funds' profits, and corporate tax evasion. It will be interesting to watch if people will take to the streets en masse, or believe the same lies they were always told.

One bright day in the future we will see the madness of these times, where billions live in poverty, exposed to easily curable illnesses and all that in the name of capitalism. Where wealth is accumulated on the back of working people without giving them even the most necessary of provisions for free.This has to end. We need a more social society, inclusive not only of rich people. It will create justice, where that now can only be bought, and right relationships where most are now destroyed by creating greed through wilfull scarcity in order to plunder the earth of its resources, that we should share instead of squandering them on a fifth of the world's population.

@rigs
>Whats with all the political BS guys I thought this was a GH 1-2 / DSLR comuninity but I guess the personal view >means just that. Oh well back to DV users for my info.

Personal view means just ability to express personal view for everyone.
And this is really HDSLR related site. But, it won't hurt if you'll find some other info, being it mathematics, politics or any other.
People are people wtith their background, their real problems.
Is it good that traditional "independent from manufacturers" sites want to hide this? No.
Why it happens then? This sites are run mostly by admins. And they are very bad in all this things.
They are good at banning and deleting posts :-)
So, feel free to read this site. No one here will interfere to your camera realed discussion with some political talk :-)

Dear GOODEMPIRE,
Ad1)Yes, He was CIA asset and USA won cold war, there is no USSR, so who has ration?
Ad 2 ) President Miedwiediew gave Poland documents of Katyn. He is lying ? It's fake ?
Ad3)In September 1920, Vladimir Lenin during a speech at the Ninth Conference of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) presented by the main cause of Polish-Soviet War [found] that somewhere near Warsaw is not the center of the Polish government and the bourgeois republic capital, but the center of the contemporary imperialist system, and that the circumstances allow us to shake up the system and its policy is not in Poland but in Germany and England. Thus, we have created in Germany and England a brand new episode of the proletarian revolution, fighting the global imperialism.
"I don't think we heard any apologies on the Polish side for the 50 000 Russians perished in Polish camps" - IT IS SHAME for polish so : I AM really sorry.
Ad 4) I agree
Ad5)"I don't think Poland or Romania or Hungary or any other country lost anything." -Mercedes vs Wartburg. I want Mercedes :)
"Expect more bases and missiles on your soil. " - No comments ;-)
Ad6)"Because if you really want to talk history, someone will send back you as far as to 1612 when Poles took control over Moscow... " - impressive isn't it ?

Dear rigs
Its my fault,I started and this is my last political post on this community.

Muhuel is right in just one thing. Pre-WWII Polish government was fascist. That's why they had their own Pact with Hitler, which is surprisingly rarely mentioned. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - all had their own pacts too. And that was one of the reasons why Moscow supported communists in these countries
1) Mr. Yakovlev was a long-time CIA asset. A very reliable source indeed.
2) The so-called Katyn massacre was first mentioned by Mr. Goebbels and was inherited from the Germans by the US propaganda machine. Same thing with the so-called Holodomor, which never happened in real life.
3) The Poles actually invaded Ukraine and Belorussia in 1918 which led to the counterattack by the Red Army. I don't think we heard any apologies on the Polish side for the 50 000 Russians perished in Polish camps
4) The first act of collaboration with Hitler wasn't even the breakup of Chechoslovakia. The US and Japan had extensively cooperated with the Nazi. Check pictures of the Nazi Olympic Games in 1936 (they were btw boycotted by the USSR). IBM, Ford...check Charles Lindbergh story... There was the whole Nazi party legally operating in the US, which was absolutely impossible in the USSR. Let's not forget the USSR and Germany where already fighting each other in the Spanish civil war. So in the light of all these the M-R Pact was just a political maneuver for the Soviets to save some time. As you probably heard, the USSR was already at war with the pro-Nazi Japan in the Far East by late 30s. The country that had just started recuperating from its own bloody civil war (18 "democratic" armies invaded Russia in 1918!!!!) simply couldn't afford being engaged on the two fronts simultaneously. So Stalin was absolutely right.
5) I don't think Poland or Romania or Hungary or any other country lost anything. They benefited greatly from vast modernization and innovation. Do you think Americans would've done anything for the Germans be it not the Soviet threat? They crushed Japan with nuclear bombs to make it a 100% American colony. Same thing with Germany, France, Italy... If that was the better option for Poland, I think you shouldn't be complaining now. You are in fact a 100% American colony (Russia is a 95% colony:). Expect more bases and missiles on your soil.
6) Man, let's not dig the sht out of the past. USSR was not Russia. It wasn't a racist country. Nor was it an incarnation of the Tzarist Empire. Because if you really want to talk history, someone will send back you as far as to 1612 when Poles took control over Moscow and installed their Dimitri. That Dimitri, who was pretty soon kicked out by the Russian people, reminds me of the today's Russian president with his weird Katyn apologies.

>Poland,Finland,Hungary,Romania,Czechoslovakia

Any details? As I think that you could repeat some modern stamps here :-)

>In 1939 hitler attacked Poland in 1 september,17th september Stalin attacked Poland by Covenant of >Ribbentrop-Molotow. False or true ?

You are talking about no b/w and go to it in about one sentence :-)
To be short - it is false.
If you look more closely Ribbentrop-Molotow thing will be in big trouble. As no original documents exist and so called copies that are used have many problems. Documents come from mister Jakovlev, and this is the trouble.
Poland goverment position is also very interesting thing.
And so called "democratic nations" position is even more interesting (how about breaking agreements?).

>My family was send to Siberia from west Ukraine and return to Poland after 8 years.

I think that if you look deeper you could find perfect reason for this.
I am not saying that I like all this.
But all Japanese or married on Japanese had been closed in concentration camps in USA during WW II.
In that time such measures had been pretty normal.

>Finally,after 200 years we can speak together without hostility :-) in this forum.

Funny thing is that it is doings that hurt, not the words.

I don't think you can disengage both Lenin and Stalin from the USSR and treat them as purely humans or purely theorists. USSR was everything for them (that's why we are not talking Trozky here). It also was a working example that another world was possible. Unfortunately from day 1 the country had to fight against endless foreign interventions and that (not the flawed centralized economy) undermined the Soviets. Look where we are now. The whole global economy is bankrupt. 500 trln of toxic assets while the whole world's GDP is roughly 50 trln. The globe is spinning into an unseen economic Depression which always leads to war. I guess these are the mandatory lessons people need to take to start understanding Lenin and Stalin again. It was 1914 global economic crisis and the ensuing WWI, that gave birth to the Great October Revolution of 1917.

I did not want to offend anybody but assessment of historical figures is very relative.Best example is Stalin.He made ​​the Russian Empire but for others ...
Ok,our countries are neighbours. We have difficult history but I think We can do our future easier and better with our cooperation then fighting (but polemic is very exiting :-) ).We are making our future now and here so :
I wish you all the best for Russia and Russians :)

"Meaning that they do not want to get IMF credits? :-)"
I' don't like IMF :)-They rules the world with their full bellies and their ignorance :)
"You clearly need to return to learning history" - Vitaliy, I disagree :). We just have different opinions, judgement of history :-)but I hope so we can find compromis with that the Russia can't be weak beacause it's not good for the world.
"It'll be named after Stalin :-)" - He was most effective leader of 20th century so I hope that gh2 hack will be also most effective but please , Vitaliy, don't give it options of machine gun ( I know You can do it in hack ) ;-).
"Whatever views you might have about the world, it's a fair bet that about half the population disagrees"-You have got damn right ":-)- In my country we say: when two people you meet, you hear three opinions :-).

Hey Man! You are even smarter than I thought! Let the whole world plea for the hack named after Vladimir Iliych. He was one of the brightest men the world had ever seen. USSR is not dead and it will strike back one day.