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BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K
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  • markr041markr041

    @bandindv Loading a REC202 LUT does not magically increase the REC709 color space. You do understand that REC709 is a small part (proper subset) of the REC2020 color space, right? And the wider REC2020 color space is what is required to meet HDR standards."Grading" a 10bit REC709 clip also does not also increase the color gamut. HDR specs include wide color, specifically REC2020 wide color. So no matter what LUT or transform you use, if you start with REC709 color, which is what this camera produces, you cannot meet HDR standards.

    Sony offers SGamut varieties; Panasonic offers Vlog color - these are wide gamuts, exceeding the REC709 color gamut. Sony and Panasonic also offer REC2020 color gamuts to go along with HLG gammas. I see no options for wide color from Blackmagic, just REC709 color, let alone HLG gammas. [Note: Sony offers only 8bit REC2020 color, which does not technically meet the HDR standard either, which is 10bit REC2020, but the difference for the most part is not great].

  • theconformisttheconformist

    If you're interested solely in video, doesn't seem worth it to even consider any of the new mirrorless cameras. This thing with a Speedbooster XL crushes them. So if it actually comes out within the next year, just buy it.

    Also, it looks like a Sega Game Gear.

  • bannedindvbannedindv

    Why not ? Mark, I believe you can load your own BT2020 LUT which can be rolled into a file directly, or you could grade the raw or prores 10 bit log and output HDR files.

  • markr041markr041

    So, all the formats are REC709 color, right? Thus, no ability to make HDR (REC2020 color) videos with this camera, right?

  • zsoundzsound

    An other video:

  • zsoundzsound

    The first unboxing video;;; in thai:

  • jleojleo

  • markr041markr041

    I am grateful that Blackmagic Design has made original, OOC clips available. So, we can see what can be done with them ourselves, not putting up with the grading of others.

    I downloaded the 'balloons' clip, shot by Andreas Neuman. It is a brilliant shot, at dawn, into the sun, but the grade is dull and in fact the camera appears to have had the wrong WB, since, as you will see, the original clip is very blue (it is not a RAW image). But with a 10bit 422 image, one can do a lot.

    The video starts with the original, ungraded clip followed by MY grade. When I think of sunrise and balloons, I think of color, so what I went for is a look with color!

    Anyway, whether you like my grade or not you can see what one can pull out of the image in this very high DR scene.

  • jleojleo

    Many nature documentaries fake outdoor shots in the studio where they have greater control over the image and activity of animals. Disney did it, so does Attenborough!

    David Attenborough BBC Earth

    Macro filming techniques have been used in wildlife films for more than a century. The laws of physics demand a lot of light and perfectly calm conditions, but macro photography also requires a huge amount of patience. As a consequence, macro filming is sometimes undertaken in controlled environments like a studio, where lights can be used safely.

    http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160314-life-in-miniature-wildlife-macro-filming

    It’s about time we recognised that nature documentary makers regularly deceive us – and we’re partly to blame

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bbc-david-attenborough-nature-documentaries-fake-a8291961.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/23/captive-wildlife-footage-blue-planet-2-bbc1-totally-true-to-nature-say-producers

  • libertaslibertas

    The producer is the star in this case and gets credit for his top notch crew.

  • eatstoomuchjameatstoomuchjam

    Pretty much none of his credits are for cinematography or camera operator.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041003/

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @DrDave

    It's pretty amazing how well Attenborough gets the follow focus with moving bugs.

    As I understand last years all he is doing is narration, plus some directing may be.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    @Vitaliy If you are going to film bugs, there's focus and DOF to get the right percentage of the bug in view. Both were spotty. It's pretty amazing how well Attenborough gets the follow focus with moving bugs.
    OTOH, the parts that were in focus looked really very good on my 4K screen. I definitely have added this cam to to my buy list.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @Firworks

    I just imagine this on radio hobby forum:

    Look, Fluke finally released sample voltage measurements Excel file. You can grade values to your liking and tell us how disappointed / appointed you are with multimeter.

    :-)

  • FirworksFirworks

    Out of camera files released for the sample videos: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/gallery

    Grade them yourself and see how disappointed / appointed you are with the camera.

  • NickBenNickBen

    @johnbrawley

    Critical Questions I hoped to answer but delayed shipping news is botching:

    Does the camera natively support HDR workflow- HLG or other forms- if so, can you test it or request an HDR grade thru the backchannels for us patient customers? What happens to the camera display, does it emulate HDR in that case?

    How's the fan noise (does it cycle on and off audibly) and audio preamps- useable?

    Did you try it on a gimbal or put it up on a drone-if not, do you plan on it any time soon?

    Did you test any generic USB-C to SSD adapters for external SSD recording? (I am scratching my head why this doesn't simply record to SSD internally)

    Can you turn off the rear display to conserve power?

    Is it hardy enough to be used outdoors in foggy fall or brutal Winter months, or will freezing condensation form/affect the fan and impact the large display?

    Can it timelapse & did you take any stills?

    Did you try or briefly use it for greenscreen, if so which settings and did it hold up...

    Unfortunately for me, my 1st Day, first batch preorder status from the Big Retailer is set to "arrive at our warehouse early October", while one month ago, I was assured it would ship tomorrow / the Only other camera I waited so long to receive was a Red on a first day preorder...

    I would never preorder a new release camera shipping in October, dumb as it sounds, because my local region turns barren and brown in October, and am thinking of cancelling my preorder after 6 months because I have too many options available and was hoping to put it thru it's paces this month to get a feel if I should order a second one, which may now fall into a spring order all else considered

    We do appreciate your feedback and in being a guinea pig, as I'll never understand why you can not be given sufficient time to truly explore it's capabilities over a week while also doing their bidding...

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @DrDave

    You mean that you need better narration? :-) As all he does is exactly this.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    bugs. good, but not attenborough.

  • jleojleo

    Back to The Future: Covering LED monitor and LED lights!

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  • eatstoomuchjameatstoomuchjam

    I believe that! I've had to do similar things on low-light shoots due to light pollution from a single LED!

    If this footage is any indication, I'll almost certainly be a customer when the time comes!

  • bannedindvbannedindv

    John thanks for these tests, for what it’s worth - I think this is beautiful stuff. Would love to see some behind the scenes shots of how your rig was set up if they will let you share.

  • johnbrawleyjohnbrawley

    @eatstoomuchjam the more I look, the more I think this is the status light from the Terradek transmitter I had on the camera.

    So for those saying it was overlit and there was too much light and it wasn't a real low light test.....ummmm...

    Light level was low enough a single LED on camera to shows up ??? (I normally have them taped up because of showing up in reflections anyway !)

    Oh well !

    JB

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    @flash

    which resolution you record ? UHD or C4K on GH5s ? On the GH5s, C4K is a LOT sharper than UHD. I never use UHD with GH5s.

    Unfortunately, it's all of them. Except, oddly... the anamorphic mode. It seems to turn off most/all of the in-camera processing when shooting in this mode. But, yea, other than that... I've yet to see, or shoot, a GH5 video that doesn't exhibit, what I consider to be, an image-ruining processed look to it. Look at the GH5 "4K" next to a EVA1, C200, Red, ect... and it looks like blown-up 1080p in comparison... YET, even the old Black Magic 4k looks like a high-end professional image... so it's not about "price"... it's about horrible, horrible, in-camera processing and NR that you can't turn off. There was a whole big discussion about this back when I was posting more, lol. Got pretty crazy.

    The Blackmagic Pocket 4k is looking great though! No "processed-crunch-look" to be seen yet! Looking forward to more footage and the actual launch of the camera!

  • eatstoomuchjameatstoomuchjam

    yeah - a little of it shows up in a number of places, but there's a lot around 0:45. :)

    I'd totally believe that it's a status light from something nearby. That's one of the dangers of shooting in low light - even the status lights on things can pollute the scene.

  • DrDaveDrDave

    The more I looked for the blue light, the more I saw it in different places.

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