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Old wide angle lenses (24mm, 28mm) on m43 ?
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  • I've had a number of wide angle Nikon based lenses that I've used with my old Letus and M2 adaptors, and then moved to the GH2. A Nikkor 24mm 2.8 and 2 different Sigma f2.8 28mm. All of them were so mushy and soft that I could never tell if I was in focus. I've even sampled other people's Nikkor 24mm with the same mushy results.

    I bought the Panny Pancake 20mm for this exact reason. A fast (f1.7) very sharp wide lens. While I don't love the 20mm completely - I think the focus ring is terrible. But, in fairness, I'm not doing a ton of rack focusing with it.

    [just my opinion]

  • @amked

    This Nikkor has lots of CA. No idea about this Vivitar, many brands produced for them. Some are great, try it. Check in some second hand store also for old Minolta 24mm f/2.8 or equivalent Canon FD, both are excellent, maybe also bit cheaper.

  • these are the two i'm having difficulty to decide on. more opinions anyone?

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  • @amked I've tested old Nikkor 24/2.8 on the GH1 and didn't like it so much. But many people admire it, maybe I've tried just a lemon copy and this lens is better- can you not try it first? The price $ 128 is very good, though. The early series didn't have multi-coating, in that case it would be too expensive. This lens is still manufactured, one can have it brand new for some $ 530

  • Well, you'll need to adapt to different focusing directions…

  • the nikkor is nikon mount, the vivitar OM. nomad, does it matter? i'm using m4/3 adapters.

  • Are they both Nikon versions? If not, think about focusing direction!

  • vivitar 24mm is a good lens indeed, but nikkor is great ;)

  • I've got two options for buying old primes: (don't have a chance to try them both)

    1 - Vivitar 24mm f2.8 for $90

    2 - nikkor 24mm f2.8 for $128

    anyone experienced with these lenses? are they similar in optic quality? (for use on gh2 with adapter) is the nikkor much better with it's $38 difference? thanks...

  • Would anyone be able to comment their observation of the difference between the plain MD's and the older MD rokkors?

    I know that my plain MD 28mm has a flat film like glass on the end of the glass and i get a ghosting effect similar to having a UV filter at night time but in daytime which is annoying. If i look at this thin layer at a acute angle it shines red-pinkish which can be used effectively to give a nice romantic warmth if light skins this thin layer.

    I have looked at my MD. W Rokkor 35mm 1.8 and it lacks this glass layer. I have looked at images of the plain MD 35mm 1.8 and it has the same thin pinkish layer as my plain 28mm f2. I will do some testing to see if these differences have an effect on image quality. I know that my 28mm has very nice colour saturation and contrast.

  • @RRRR Thanks. Great advice. Will check the flektogon 20mm.

  • @matt_gh2

    Thanks, will do!

    I recently got a flektogon 20mm f4 (there is also the faster f2.8, supposed to be similar at f4 but a bit faster) which I feel could work very nicely with the lomos. (not yet tested but all the ddr glass seems to be reasonably close to the Lomos - and there are some great ones for macro) Mind, the 28mm has really been the sweet spot for me (an absolute go-to lens on the gh2), wide enough most of the time, but also interesting up close.

    Any wider than 20 though and I´d go towards any "clinical" lens and adjust it afterwards.. (make a profile for it) That´s why I got the 12-35, it´s the one Id use when a neutral starting point would be useful for post. I´m not sure It´s going to be easy to match, anyway.. (but it´s what I would do).

  • @RRRR Great video. Please post info, when the band's album come out.

    Thanks for sharing your workflow info. That's kinda what I was guessing re color correction. Looks great.

    I love the Lomos I have - 50mm, and 28mm, but guess I'll have to find a wide angle lens that I can adjust the image in post to match the Lomo image. Do you use any wides that you feel intercut well with your Lomo lens?

  • @matt_gh2

    It was shot in northern Sweden and it´s a band that is pretty fresh.. this is a release from their debut album which is in the works. For coloring it´s a long story but to keep it short: I colored in After Effects, using both ColorGHear and other tools. I made the room more hazy in post with a diffusing effect and for the break-part (with the "strobes") I increased contrast a lot but retained some of the "haze" by keeping black levels relatively high.. If you want more detailed information I could show you some before and after when I got the time. :)

    As a curiosity perhaps, I had the people dance in slow-motion with the music at half speed for the break part. :)

    Personally, I gave up trying to find a useful wide angle. I think the 22mm is the widest I´d go for normal use, the 18mm I find introduces too much CA and is too soft to be matched with the others. (stopped down a lot, it can maybe work but it feels like it´s a completely different lens-lineup) There´s a super-fast EKRAN 18mm which I´m sure performs well, but it´s also insanely expensive. :)

    If you check out tests of illumina cine lenses you´ll find that there is quite a step there too between 18mm and the 20-something lenses (same optical schemes essentially as the super fast EKRAN made lomos). Much more controlled than my own Lomos of course, and completely negligible when stopped down.

  • @RRRR Very cool video. Where was this shot/who is the music group? I'm curious - how did you modify image in editing? I'm a Lomo lens user myself. Have you gotten any luck finding a nice wide Lomo (18mm or wider)?

  • I'll post some next week when I have the time to shoot something more worthwhile :) I'll also use the MD 35mm 1.8 to make up for the wait :). Initial impressions tell it's one of Minolta's best wide angle as it is sharp at F/2, just slightly loss of contrast, a little flare resistant but will flare like any usual wide angle with lights pointed at the lens. It gives an interesting 'red' Lomo like flare if light skims the front element, it is coated red-pinkish. It deals very kindly to skin-tones making them softer and creamy. THE COLOURS - are beautiful :)

  • @SightfulProd do you have any tests with the rokkor 2/28?

  • aki_hartikainen, which Minolta 28/2.8 MD lens do you have? I have the plain-MD 7/7, and it has excellent flare resistance.

  • @gameb

    It´s version 7-28-1 made in 86.

    No test shot but this was shot almost entirely with the lens (macro shots w. flektogon 35mm):

  • speaking of old wide glass, these are my recommendations (I never got a Nikon AI I always got out bit on eBay ...):

    1. Olympus OM G.ZUIKO 28mm f3.5 - I love the look it renders, very compact, sharp wide open (no need to stop down), fantastic build quality. Can be found cheep because of f3.5 ...

    2. SMC PENTAX-A 20mm f2.8 - not as sharp and fast as the pancake 20mm 1.7 but can be used on a full frame body as well, has very good build quality, low distortion. Was my favorite lens with the Canon 7D

    3. Contax Carl Zeiss T* Biogon 21mm f2.8 - almost as sharp as the 20mm 1.7, zero distortion, the Metabones Contax G adapter adds the required big focus ring but its not always smooth to operate. The lens has a plastic protection for the rear element which has to be removed in order to fit it to a mft camera. Aperture can be declicked without having to open the optical part.

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  • Anyone has tried to use 24mm/28mm FD and MD lenses with cheap x0.4 wide converter?

  • @RRRR which version of the 28mm lomo do you use? could you post some test shots? they are quiet cheap...

  • Canon 24 f2 is very, very nice on the gh2.. Not an optically perfect lens by any means, but it has a very nice sweet spot. I really like the pen zuiko 25mm f2.8 too. I haven´t found a decent adapter for my pens yet though. My no1 goto lens (of any) over the last 6 months has been a 28mm lomo.

  • Would you have some samples, I would be interested in Nikon lenses too.

  • I use old Nikon AIS 20mm/24mm/35mm and they are great. I have no problems on the GH2. The only problem I had was using a cheap adapter that kept me from focusing to infinity.