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F65 Project
  • shianshian

    http://www.thef65project.com/videos/

    Is it just me or does the video they shot look very... video-y. Over-saturated. Skin tone looks unnatural. This project is sponsored in part by my favorite camera house, but man... not impressed with the footage.

    Probably just bad grading...

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  • GabelGabel

    I think Bad Grading is our culprit here, as you say. In the Zacuto test, the F65 performed well (especially since it had NO lighting adjustments, unlike the GH2 which shone thanks to a well lit set) after all.

  • hedroxhedrox

    looking at that blue cast in the shadow on the steel fence (scene when the girl comes to horse) which is probably due to the bad qualifiing of the woman´s dress , and also some blue color cast on the roof of the house I also think the bad grading is the problem here..

  • vicharrisvicharris

    Yeah, something about the saturation in certain tones bothers me. She seems almost super imposed in a lot of shots. Think the blue shirt they put her in was a bad idea. Wrong tone to start then the grading went south somewhere.

  • bannedindvbannedindv

    I think that F65's natural mode of Tone Mapping has a very hyper-real "Sony" look for lack of a better term, which has always to me been the antithesis of natural or cinematic... But you know that's just like, my opinion man.

  • bwhitzbwhitz

    That amount of saturation is disgusting...

  • SangyeSangye

    The F65 is undeniably an incredible camera, but this is a shit "project". Oversaturated, with a terribly amateur-ish use of depth of field. Seriously if that's what you're going to shoot, stick to DSLRs!

  • peternappeternap

    That was hard to watch! Imagine that...65 grand to make a video that looks like an out of focus color blob.

  • bobbygilesbobbygiles

    The purpose was to show how far you can push the footage in post. over saturating the colors and crushing blacks and so on was the approach i wanted to take.I wasn't going for reality ... I wanted to see how far I can push it and I did for this particular short..Every short i will use several different styles, glass, formats, codecs, frame rates, accessories and support... and i will leave those choices up to YOU.,..that right i will have a vote before each film is shot and ask what YOU want to see. The 2.8 stop was to show the viewer the DOF...Not because that's all i know....but because its what i think people would ask first....The racking of focus was to show off the Cooke Panchros. So take it as you will. My main goal is to help many other get over the intimation factor people are having with the workflow and the physical camera itself...and I will go over that in the next video...

    There are many ways to have done this different but this is the way I decided. In the series of videos,"lets talk about It" i will explain all noted above. This video was never meant to be perfect, but rather to show off the F65's ability to handle a lot in post..

    Everyone has an opinion, and that's fine....but assuming befre you know any facts...is ridiculous.. Thanks Bobby Holbrook Creator - The F65 Project

  • shianshian

    @bobbygiles It wasn't my intention to demean the project, I was only posting this because what I had seen in the Zacuto test made me want to see more about the F65, and this was the only clip I could find, and it was not what I was expecting.

    Thanks for clarifying. Is there any way you guys could post the ungraded version?

  • bobbygilesbobbygiles

    Shian, no worries, my goal with The F65 Project. Is to answer the questions "What would an Optimo look like on the F65"? How difficult is the workflow? How much can you push it in post while keeping the details? and so on...I will from here on out...upload both a graded version and a NON-graded version. My intentions was to do just that with the first short "Sunday" but my time has been very limited recently. But either way, i will start uploading both version from here on out...

    i want you guys to get involved with the project and suggest different lenses, accessories, support, frame rates, and codes YOU would like to see in the next short... Options on Lenses for the Next short will be between Zeiss Super Speeds T1.3 or Angineux Optimo 24-290.....which one do you guys want to see?

    We are all going to learn through this project and that's the main reason I started it.. Thanks Bobby Holbrook

  • HeartfeltHeartfelt

    Meh, I think it looks cool but I always love saturation.

  • peternappeternap

    @bobbygiles Well, that explains it Bobby and I'm relieved it wasn't intended to be art. Education flicks are always hard to watch

  • SangyeSangye

    @bobbygiles thanks for clarifying, now I feel like an asshole for my comment. Thanks for testing the camera for the rest of us.

  • bobbygilesbobbygiles

    No worries guys, I would have thought or said the same things. I will be adding a blog to the website so anyone can comment, question, suggest and vote. This will help keep the lines of communication open. I appreciate you all checking it out and really want all of your input on the next short.Thanks Bobby Holbrook

  • vicharrisvicharris

    ahhhhhhh

  • shianshian

    Yikes. The more I see the more I'm convinced there is something seriously wrong with this camera. If these guys can't make it look good, then WTF?? The skin tone in direct light is....awful. Soft light and indirect light looks okay... not great, but okay. Am I just not seeing why this camera gets so much hype?

    http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/kickstart-theft-filmed-on-sony-f65

  • Xenocide38Xenocide38

    @shian Wow that Kickstart Theft short was...hmm...yeah...i was not impressed.

    "With good lighting, digital can look as good as film," says Zsigmond.

    I thought this looked very digital and not very filmic at all. However, that may not be 100% the cameras fault. I think their desire to use only natural light actually hurts the film and demonstrates how important lighting is to our mentality of what is "cinematic."

    We've been watching professionally lit movies for the past 100 years. Cameras that can see in the dark or that have a wide dynamic range don't compensate for our perception of what a film should look like.

  • matt_gh2matt_gh2

    ----yeah plus story was kinda weird...and what was up with the white girl near the beginning who was sleeping on the sidewalk on a piece of cardboard..supposedly homeless but dressed in perfect cloths. Kinda reminded me of Book of Eli which was supposed to be some mad max post apocalypse starkness...and here's the lead actress prancing around like she just had a shopping spree at The Gap.

    Bottom line-GH2 and GH1 are great tools...more than enough to paint whatever picture you want. End of the day...it's all story.

  • RRRRRRRR

    Was there any lighting at all in that vid? It seems like they relied on the DR of the camera, solely. Plus, the grading was not pleasant for a lot of the contrasty scenes. At least not to watch on vimeo! I´m thinking that one really has to control the color information/extended gamut from this camera or it can backfire when footage is pushed out (in 8bit).

    Another thing is texture. With so much oversampling there is not much texture to talk about and here they had not applied any in post. It´s too clean/clinical, in other words.

    I realize they tried to push the capabilities of the camera to handle very contrasty scenes e.t.c. but man, it doesn´t look any better than your average 8bit cam out there by how it was treated here.

  • kellar42kellar42

    I hate to say this, because it's such a subjective thing, but that short looked very VIDEOISH.

  • sicovdplassicovdplas

    Bad grading, period

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