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Nikon new mirrorless cameras V1 and J1
  • bleach551bleach551
    Here are links.
    http://www.nikon.com/news/2011/0921_digital_01.htm

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/21/nikon-unveils-v1-and-j1-mirrorless-cameras-10-1mp-cmos-2-7-inc/

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1109/11092120nikonlaunch.asp
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  • jokieonejokieone
    1,200 fps interesting, although it is only 320 x 120 it's nice to have the option.
  • jokieonejokieone
    1/16000 shutter is also nice.
  • John_FarragutJohn_Farragut
    No 50i 25p, only 60i 30p video. There is a market besides Japan and US. It's the same with Olympus with their PEN camera's.
  • LPowellLPowell
    According to the specs:

    Motion Snapshot mode - 1,920 X 1,080/ 60p(59.94fps)(plays at 24p/ 23.976fps)

    Nikon 1 Mount Adapter FT1:
    Using a mount adapter, you can still take advantage of the power of expression
    of your existing F mount NIKKOR lenses. It is also compatible with AE/AF
    and VR. You can also experience "Motion Snapshot", a new form of visual
    expression unique to Nikon 1.

    DX format lenses of the F mount NIKKOR lens series are also compatible with the Mount Adapter FT1. IX lenses and F3AF lenses may not be used with the Mount Adapter FT1.
  • CRFilmsCRFilms
    Under video it doesn't have a 24p option and that "motion snapshot" looks like a gimmick. It doesn't say how long you can record like that, I suspect motion snapshot time will be SECONDS not minutes.

    Why are camera makers not putting 24p on EVERY cam they have that shoots video? I'll never buy a cam that doesn't shoot 24p. The new Canon A1200 shoots 720p at 24fps at 20+mb bitrate and costs $100. I almost bought that until the GH1 went closeout under $400.

    I'm so tired of waiting for the enthusiast community to make compromised equipment better.
  • John_FarragutJohn_Farragut
    Motion Snapshot is, I think, a few seconds worth of video in high quality. Like a snapshot of your life. The sensor reads in 60p but it is output in 24p. So according to the Nikon website it is played in slow motion 2.5x slower. It is a dramatic snapshot of life, if you will.

    Normal video mode is only 60i 30p though. I don't fully agree with the 24p on the GH2, would love 25p, but at least it's a world standard. Doing only 60i 30p is craptastic.
  • danyyyeldanyyyel
    From a Nikon user, this is just crap. It has a much smaller sensor but the body and lens are about the same size as micro 4/3 and Nex apsc size sensor. The sensor size is about half that of the Miro 4/3. The lens are slow and the price is as high or higher than most of the mirroless camera. It is as if Nikon is just sitting on its legacy and saying hey it is a Nikon. For $ 300 to $ 400 it would have been ok, but for $ 600 and $ 900 it is insane.
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
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    Nikon 1 J1: $649.95 (with kit lens 1 NIKKOR VR 10-30mm f/3.5-5.6 lens)
    Nikon 1 V1: $899.95 (with kit lens 1 NIKKOR VR 10-30mm f/3.5-5.6 lens)


    Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/21/i-came-nikon-mirrorles-camera-announced.aspx/#ixzz1YbKqQ68t

    http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/21/four-nikon-1-worlds-first.aspx/
    http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/21/nikon-1-now-available-for-pre-order.aspx/
    http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/21/i-came-nikon-mirrorles-camera-announced.aspx

    http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/acil/pdf/Nikon1_Lineup.pdf

    http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/continually-updated-new-nikon-mirrorless-cameras-announced/
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
    Also recommend to read http://www.bythom.com/

    J1 uses electronic shutter only, btw.
    Phase detection sensors are built into the imaging sensor: this is the first mirrorless camera with a 135-point direct phase detect system for fast initial focus .
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev


  • bleach551bleach551
    All I needed to read was "2.7X Crop" nothing after that made me want to read any further or made me want this camera.
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev
    I do not agree here.

    Some of the things, like build in phase sensors, electronic shutter, very fast serial shooting modes are very interesting.
    I am pretty optimistic about new Nikon cameras.
    Many things could be fixed with firmware updates.
    And all elso will be improved in second generation that will follow fast.
  • bleach551bleach551
    @Vitaliy,

    I just can't see using a 2.7X cropped sensored camera. I mean my GH1 is about as cropped as I am willing to go, and I am still looking for a less cropped sensored camera with a similar image quality to replace even it. I mean I have all full frame lenses, a 50mm full frame lens would become a 135mm lens on these cameras.

    I am also long awaiting either a Nikon D400( or whatever will replace the d300s) or a Canon Replacement for the 7D I currently own. I know neither of these will make me a better shooter or make anything I shoot with them anymore interesting, but hopefully they will give me less to worry about in my video images.
  • John_FarragutJohn_Farragut
    I like the the idea they are presenting, but execution in this first stage is prime. If you look at the mockups http://www.dpreview.com/news/1109/11092118atthelaunch.asp they are clearly looking at video as the new wave. They show video led light, external large LCD, external mic. All in a very portable device. Better video than camcorders out there, in a better package because you can extend. The concept is there. Sensor size is Super 16, so if you think about it that way, that's good. This is a digital Super 16 camera. It seems Nikon knows that these mirrorless small cams will throw out the camcorders. People want all in ones. Great pictures, great video. It is a bit disappointing to see that they don't execute on the video formats on first go. Now, of course with NEX camera's, you've got large sensor and compact system. That's why execution is key. If you don't compete in sensor size, try to outdo in the experience. Throw in the best video you can, throw in multiple framerates, manual controls, and offer accesories like the LCD finder, Mic, LED light in the first go. Don't test the market first. Lead the market and show us where we are heading. The potential is there for the consumer market.
  • bleach551bleach551
    @John_Farragut,

    I think I will actually have to read the articles I posted, the 2.7X crop made me stop reading any of them further. It seems every major Stills camera company is going for more professional features in their camera but with a more consumer look for their camera.
  • LPowellLPowell
    @bleach551 - "I am still looking for a less cropped sensored camera with a similar image quality to replace [the GH1]."

    You might find the Nikon D5100 of interest - D7000 image quality, GH1 video features, and AF-S/VR lenses that will adapt to the Nikon 1...
  • bwhitzbwhitz
    @bleach551 "All I needed to read was "2.7X Crop" nothing after that made me want to read any further or made me want this camera."

    +1 me too.

    2.7x crop? That's it for me. Done.

    The only exception I would make is Red's 2/3" RAW Scarlet.
  • danyyyeldanyyyel
    If it cost $ 300 to $ 400 it would be interesting for what it is in terms of image characteristic P&S. The af is really interesting to revolutionary (will know when it will be reviewed). But on the video side, the new sony line is doing 1080 60p compared to its 60I. No 24p etc. Now we will see if this new af can go in better bodies, but these ones are shit. It is showing noise at 400 Iso, compare that to the 5n.
  • bleach551bleach551
    @bwhitz,

    Its was like reading a Ferrari was for sale cheap, but with no motor or wheels.
  • stoneystoney
    I guess one more mirrorless player is a good thing. Bringing new techs is a good thing. It will force Panasonic make better products at more competitive pricing. All good.
  • bleach551bleach551
    @danyyyel,

    I hope this is not going to be the Price to Performance structure for whatever pro level DSLRs they introduce in the future.
  • bleach551bleach551
    @stonebat,

    It just seems like they are putting more professional features in a more smaller package. Maybe the next generations of cameras will be 4.5X cropped sensored cameras small enough to fit in our wallets.
  • danyyyeldanyyyel
    I hope so, because I am fed up waiting for an update for the d300s or d700, to know if I have to make the change to full frame or not. I am not prepared to invest in 4 year old technology and in the pro photography market I am getting a bit low in terms of spec compared to the Canon and even the lower end models in the Nikon line.
  • bleach551bleach551
    @Lpowell,

    Those Nikon cameras are okay, But I won't be able to use your 100Mbps Max Latitude Native 24/25p Patch( thanks very much for that one) with either of them as I can with my gh1(7). I think they display just as much moire and aliasing as my Canon 7D thats tucked away under my bed in its Pelican case.
  • bleach551bleach551
    @danyyyel,

    I used a friends Canon 5D(not MKII) and I just didn't like how shallow the D.O.F was at all aperture settings in comparison with my Canon 7D.

    With a Canon 1.6X cropped sensored camera I am used to an image being

    Soft in the center and borders from about F1.4 to F2

    Sharp in center, soft in borders at F2.8 to F4 with slightly sharper borders at f4

    Sharp center and border at F5.6 to F8


    With friend's Canon Full frame 5D

    Soft center and borders F1.4 to about F4

    Sharp center, soft borders F4 to F5.6

    Sharp center and borders F8 to F11


    All my lenses, like so many other lenses , I believe, are at their best at around F4 to F5.6.

    It seemed to me that I had to settle for either a Dark, Deep focused, slightly less sharp image( due to the beginnings of diffraction) or a slightly bright, Sharp image, with slightly unwanted shallow D.O.F. But this is just me others might prefer this.
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