We need a space to just talk. I like how clean the other pages are, and would rather not clutter them with prose/discussion. Let's do that here, to respect PV.com;

Please use this other thread for news and announcements for all the PV.com community http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1532/personal-view-feature-film-collaborative-proyect#Item_168

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BEGIN B3Guy:

I am curious what you all think of my more detailed roadmap for arriving at a final script. I think if we really want to get at this, we need some sort of breakdown to a smaller level of how we will get from concept to script. Obviously we need a bit more time to throw brainstorms around (IMO) before picking or choosing anything. I'm delighted to find myself drawn to many of the ideas thus far, but a few more good ones would not hurt. I for one plan to (no intention to rip anyone off) try and combine the essences of several of my favorites, plus my own ideas into a script proposal as well.

But once we have all these ideas, I think the best course (rather than simply limiting ourselves to picking one) . . . would be to take stock of which facets of all the script proposals are appealing to most of us, then repeat the proposal process once more, focusing on those facets of the initial proposals that everyone liked best (read: focused second round of brainstorming).

From there, I would hope we could firm up a final proposal and move on to more concrete development of an actual script. I think pictures by possible shooters/directors of their locations through some of their glass could be very helpful to the writer, as well as possibly for assessing how the parts will edit together eventually.

Give me some “aye” or “nay” on these ideas. If you're all cool with this line of action, that would mean the firming up of some dates for submissions of proposals/round 2 proposals (as well as for the polling on each). I'd be more than happy to create the polls if someone can hook us up with a good poll thingumy. (alternatively, we could “aye” or “nay” as we have been.) If I'm getting too detailed into the process for you guys, just let me know. But from my teamwork experience, I've learned that breaking conceptual plans down into concrete steps and deadlines not only gets things done on time, it helps you see concretely how to actually achieve your end goal.

END @B3Guy

We could also just make the first poll of the storylines and give an option at the very end of the poll,

• You think we should merge 2 or more storylines, wich ones?
• You think we should stick to only one already made storyline, and improve it in his merit?

Also to the first poll someone suggested (don´t remember who), that everyone should score every storyline from 0 to 10, and i agree with that

btw i was trying to achieve more order on the dates with the calendar (is at the end of the deadlines & goals list), but as it couldnt be embeded is only with a link to the google calendar.

@lolo 28 / november / 2011

BEGIN @atticusd

@B3Guy said: But from my teamwork experience, I've learned that breaking conceptual plans down into concrete steps and deadlines not only gets things done on time, it helps you see concretely how to actually achieve your end goal.

I couldn't agree more with that. Gathering some of your ideas and doing some quick thinking I came up with this list. It's incomplete and probably inaccurate but it could be a good place to start:

* Storyline ideas brainstorming - 1st Round

* Storyline ideas brainstorming - 2nd Round * Choosing a storyline

* Each team submits stills from their correspondent locations

* Collaborative outlining process: A rough structure should come out of this

* Role assigning process begins (Writers, editors, colorists, director units, etc)

* Depending on the abilities/assets of each team, a different segment should be assigned to them

* Role assigning process ends

* Screenwriting process begins (A single writer or a group of them?)

* First draft: With the arrival of the first draft, each unit can start securing his actors, crew, locations, etc

* Notes and suggestions regarding the first draft * Final draft

* Shooting starts

* Raw footage delivery

* Rough Cut

* Private Screenings to discuss possible changes/improvements

* Final Cut

* Postproduction magic: Grading, etc

* Private Screenings

* Premiere Night

END @atticusd

Begin @B3Guy Yes, most of what I talked about is in that critical stage of preliminary development. Once we firm up a concept that we all like (could still be just a well-written paragraph declaration of premise and basic elements), the rest will depend on who writes it, and how they prefer to work. One thing I didn't see early enough on the calendar was some sort of call for pictures. When we hand off a paragraph to the writer(s), I think we should also have a decent collection of location pictures. They don't have to be extensive, even just one or two pics of each location. (each director needn't be restricted to one location at this point, though.) I feel that by putting photographs of locations in the head of the writer before they start will help to keep them grounded in something that we can feasibly shoot. There is no need for them to be official locations at this point, just a loose palate for the writer to keep in mind. END B3Guy

just added a google doc to the deadlines and goals pages, is at the bottom, called Gantt chart, se we can place activities within a timeline

Please any change to the external documents, write it down here External documents changes

@lolo 28 / november / 2011

BEGIN @atticusd

That Gantt Chart will certainly help us see the big picture much more clearly. Thanks @lolo. You are busting your ass here.

Regarding the collection of stills from each location I think you're right @B3Guy, we should pull it to an earlier date so everyone can have an early glimpse at the final canvas. Any suggestions?

END @atticusd

BEGIN @B3Guy We needn't firm up locations by any means, but perhaps we can require those who want to direct one of the production branches to submit photos of X-number of locations. This verifies that they are willing to invest time in the project (they must take time to go shoot some pictures), and it gives the screenwriter at least SOMETHING to look at.) We should probably avoid polling on final locations in any capacity until we know what scenes the script requires. I'm simply suggesting that we start collecting photos, and one way to motivate people to do this would be to say “if you want to direct, we need X-number of different locations photographed by you, submitted by date-x”. Of course, it would be open to pictures by anyone, but requiring pictures from those planning to take a bigger role will ensure a decent number of photos and locations are amassed. END @B3Guy

BEGIN @atticusd

That would accomplish many things in one action: Inspiration for the writers, a call for the directors to commit and a motivational message for the entire community. It's visual feedback that says: Hey motherfuckers, we're already on it. This movie is going to get made. Rest assured.

So, what do you say we set the deadline before the end of next month? As you said, we can have an open policy: everyone can submit photos. But the photo submission is compulsory for those who want to direct.

END @atticusd

BEGIN B3Guy

how does one go about getting copy protection on script ideas? (the CC license, or whatever?) Not that it is a big deal, but maybe someone with experience could write up an easy explanation for those not familiar. Just as precaution, we should probably be covering our behinds at least a little, even in this preliminary brainstorm stage. END B3Guy

my thoughts:

1. i dont like the idea of take pictures before even a draft script starts, seems like doing the job backwards, i say, that after the draft script gets written that we should be making the location scout
2. @b3guy about the poll you did, i cant see the results, why?, only the one starting the poll in that web can?, i think, if that is correct, that we should be looking for a more open web to make the polls;
3. about the copyleft on creative commons, just go to your local dominion creative commons web page (google it choosing the country filter), and then, fill the submission, then you must place the code that the web gives you, when you place your idea on other websites

@lolo 30 / november / 2011

BEGIN @atticusd

About sending pictures before the writing process begins, if you think about it, it's not really doing the job backwards. The pictures will give the writer (or writers) an idea of the kind of places they can go to (it can be a huge inspirational force as well) and at the same time, forcing the people who wants to direct to send location photographs at an early stage will make them decide if they want to commit for real or not. It will also add a tangible feeling to this whole thing. I think it's win win. Of course, I respect your point of view. We can make a poll about this and see what other people think. Thanks again for all your efforts @lolo.

END @atticusd

about the survey monkey:

1. @b3guy, does it have the choice of entering a name before taking the poll?, because anyone can false the numbers if it doesnt, does it?

about the images:

1. i understand what you are saying, but i don´t see it as a win-win, i remember that someone on the assets list say that he will be in spain for the coming moonth, but he later will move to another location, so… in this types of cases that will seem as discriminatory. and also i don´t like making the job twice, so i could scout locations willintly if that location is needed, but if it is just a perhaps?, and i certainly don´t know what i´m looking for, i will have invested my time in something that will take me nowhere, i could , as i couldn´t do it, maybe, but that doesnt mean that when the time comes of shooting the real deal i will not make the effort seriously…

@lolo 30 / november / 2011

-PollMonkey had an option to allow one-time participation (I believe it checks IP address). Is this not enough? I would hope we can trust everyone here to be honest.
-sure, that makes sense. We should still make a “locations” page for those people who know where they will be and know some locations that we could for sure use, no obligation.

BEGIN @andres

I find it hard to start scouting without having some kind of target, I can see the script getting better with locations, assets, ect but first of all we should determine the direction in which we are going. Three years ago I participated on a collective project feature with multiple directors writers etc and was very difficult to start. Once the ball was rolling its easier. I would love to make a film with one actor and all our locations but this is not possible with out any funding. I think this restriction should be used as a creative asset. The thing is what kind of script are we talking about? What are we aiming at?

END @andres

BEGIN @elenion
1) I think that everyone should post his script and edit it also if he is catched by other's ideas, then when we arrive at the date (20th december) we'll read all the scripts and choose. I think that a brainstorming session is quite impossible because we're not a team of screenwriters, we're not paid, we're not in the same place and we are 20. If everyone 'steal' from other's script and edit his own we get to the same result with much less effort and loss of energies.

2) I think that all the votations should be nominal and the results public for all of us. Is very important that i can check who votes what, it is a matter of order, onesty and responsibility.

BEGIN B3Guy Im busy the next week and a half. Can someone please work with Vitaliy in that timeframe to get a poll/vote/rating plugin up and running on the wiki? I'd do >it but have really no time. IMO, if we can get a rating system embedded in the wiki, and the storyline page reformatted according to elements and main concepts, rating >could be very useful. We can insert the poll right in the page, and therefore see easily which ideas people are liking the most. IDK if anyone has time to write a good full >script by the end of December, just saying. but we should have a single approved idea by then, and have it off to whoever is doing the writing. If all of this falls apart, >I'll work on writing my script idea, and I'll just ask for participation when it is done . . . but I'm confident we can hold this together.

IMOPRTANT: THE LATEST POLL IS APPROVED AS OFFICIAL BY VOTE. I WILL CLOSE IT TOMORROW it is looking like we will be Rating (scale of 1-10) the script “elements”, and approving (for use in the next stage) the top ranked 40-50%. We NEED someone to duplicate the “story lines and concepts” pages, with the content reorganized in categories of “elements” and “main concepts”. Seriously, can someone step up and tackle this? END B3Guy