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Official Final Cut X topic, moving to ARM and vlogging
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  • alcomposeralcomposer
    Hi Guys,...

    I am actually watching the FCPX debate from the outside right now and I can see that Apple has not just filled a market, but actually FCP7 WAS not what most people needed to edit. I do know that for the last 5 years people have been moving to Sony Vegas due to its integrated environment (audio and video editing). FCPX is simply Apples answer to Vegas- which has become a much loved piece of software.

    As for large post houses- as long as there is a framework there in Cocoa - then they all have programmers there that could probably whip up a plugin within a month that could handle EDL- XML etc... the way they like it... so really what is there to complain about....? (my only annoyance is outputting to an external monitor properly - but hopefully that will be fixed...)

    Bottom line: Editing software should be about EDITING faster- with more preview abilities (clip position) I for one think that Apple has pulled this off... Now 2 things need to happen: Version 1.1 needs to come out- and people need to stop complaining.
  • arvidtparvidtp
    Just trying out the trial now. Some stuff is awesome. But no manual media reconnection! That could become a nightmare on some of my projects. I often work with audio files pre-mixed in logic that need to be updated later to fix things/add things and animations rendered out from Max/MSP/Jitter that sometimes want to be re-rendered… These things FCP X cannot yet handle.

    If Apple adds manual media reconnection, I'll buy. Until then I'm sticking with Final Cut Express (with Motion 5 to do my smoothing and optical flow retiming).
  • sohussohus
    Manual media reconnection is indeed a nightmare. But I hope that Apple will fix this as this could turn into a nightmare and ruin an entire project if something goes wrong. This must need to be fixed.

    About monitoring: I think Apple's ColorSync solution is superior to what competitors are offering:
    http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/09/fcp-x-color-management-secret/

    I also think the audio roles can be superior in the feature. Tracks are old fashioned: metadata is where we are all going and whoever disputes that will be very disappointed in the years to come.
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Useful links about latest upgrade

    http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/ssimmons/story/kicking_the_tires_on_final_cut_pro_x_10.0.3_multicam/ http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/mspencer/story/25_camera_angles_in_25_minutes/

    Also we had separate topic

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1364/-fcp-update-2012-10.0.3#Item_51

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    OK,... after using FCPX & Motion5 for a few gigs proper now... I have to say this, in no order do ALL.

    1. Update your graphics card NOW if you use FCPX. Needs at least 1gig VRam.
    2. Fill up your RAM
    3. Make sure you have a multicore.
    4. Lion drivers a nice for newer graphics cards (I believe)
    5. Be happy that FCPX will completely eat this for breakfast (something that FCP7 would never have done!) End transmission.
  • 5thwall5thwall

    @alcomposer did you install the two different video cards?

    I moved my 5770 from my older system to my 2008 and upgraded to 16gb ram. noticing much faster response in the timeline. but wondering how it would have been with just the 8800gt and the ram upgrade only. Now, I don't get any CUDA for Premiere.

    However, render times can be very slow. Are you noticing that?

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    @5thwall, Well I have yet to receive the extra power cable for the 8800GT...

    But I do have to say that the 5770 is light years ahead of the 8800GT. As for render times its almost the same really. (which was very fast for me anyway). On another note- 5dtorgb ran super fast for some reason on the 5770...

    I will check out using the 8800GT as well when my power cable arrives...

  • 5thwall5thwall

    @alcomposer i read somewhere best not to double up nvidia and ati cards in the mac. no reasons given. but still, very curious to see how it works for you!

    btw - cutting my first piece-for-pay in x in the next couple of weeks. standard pbs news story. low pressure. good place to start.

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    Good luck with your PBS news story! Sent PM...

  • mickosmickos

    Anyone using Motion 5: there's a beta app now available for exporting clips to Motion 5 from fcp x, it's at http://www.alexnking.com/2012/02/20/fcpx-send-to-motion-app/

  • onedayoneday

    just tried the trial of fcpx, this shit is so funny, its like editor for the kids, everything is so simple, I do not get it, why is there so many tutorials on the net reminds me when I open the premiere first version back in the 90s, like one way street.... just st8 ahead it has a nice performance on the mac pro 8core, but they need to remove the PRO from the name, it is so funny

  • sohussohus

    @oneday you are a child. FCPX is in many ways far more pro than Avid or Adobe. Avid and Adobe have been following Final Cut Pro for ages and now Apple changes... what are they going to do? You need a vision to make something better. I believe in Apple's vision. The guy who made FCPX happens to be the guy who designed Premiere and most of the FCP versions. Obviously, this guy knows how to work this shit.

    Also if you follow twitter... you see that the attitude is changing already.

    Pick the tool you like but don't make a fool of yourself. FCPX is a professional tool.

  • driftwooddriftwood

    @sohus I'm with you on this one. FCPX is already going someway towards what we all want, simplicity, backround multitasking and rendering, and multicam, plus lots more. Each quarter it gets better and better.

  • onedayoneday

    @sohus I am a child, always will be (I hope), but if every editing software shares the simplicity of the FCX than there will no be expert editors or anyone that is reached some other level of editing capabilities, the simplicity means that there is no workaround, not that many possibilities,... and as soon as you turn around to take a coffe the director will gonna be sitting in your seat making edits on his own, I do not know who made this, but I am sure that iMovie made this happend, I will gonna buy this software, its a workhorse for low paid projects, and sure it takes the full power from my mac tower, but those CC algorithms are joke,...

    and please can you give me a clue how did Avid followed the FCP, maybe I missed something

  • BuellerBueller

    Of course this is the FCPX thread but I must admit I am very interested in seeing what CS6 will bring us

  • ahblezaahbleza

    Anyone know how to inspect and/or modify the bit rate of transcoded media inside FCPX? Usually I start MPEG Streamclip and use its inspector, but would prefer to do it in Final Cut.

    Also, what's the best FCPX tool for handling GH2 footage that is 1080p masquerading as 1080i? Is Clipwrap the only option?

  • 5thwall5thwall

    @Bueller a friend of mine is doing some beta testing. I haven't seen it or really know any details. He did say that he generally likes it and that it seems very stable. A positive review coming from an excellent editor whose opinion I take very seriously.

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    Everybody here realizes that Adobe has 'already' shown off a FCPX video style lightroom app? Yes? I am quite sure that CS6 will be more than a hint of FCPX...

  • 5thwall5thwall

    @alcomposer it's also known that they have shown an app that's very much like fcpx, called prelude. but it's meant for logging and adding metadata. i think that was the original concept for fcpx - it was called "first cut," but the story goes that jobs liked it so much he had ubilos develop it into x.

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    @5thwall, you are correct,.. that is the app! "Prelude",...

    BTW: I don't get why people believe that FCPX is 'easier'... Sure its easy on the surface, but with that ease is 'lots' of power. You almost have to re-learn editing completely in a trackless timeline. I would say that ironically it is closer to the 'language' of editing...

    YMMV

  • sohussohus

    This is how FCPX started:

    Listen to the words from Steve Jobs.

    Everyone can resist but Apple got it right. Others will follow eventually once they see how fast the FCPX generation can work with media. It will take some time but the foundation (and the vision) is there (as you see since 2008). DAM (digital asset management) is the future and once you give over control and thrust the system, it is heaven.

    People are always complaining about Apple but they have proven time after time that they are able to visualize the future and turn that into products and software. I think FCPX was designed with camera's like the iPhone in mind, that have all the media, metadata, location info stored in the metadata. Combine that with powerful analysis tools (i am sure speech analysis is coming with all the siri stuff going on) and a keyword engine and you have a very powerful asset management tool. Version 10.0.3 is already very good and it will only get better from here, as are the cameras and the thunderbolt devices. That's what Apple had in mind.

  • onedayoneday

    the bad thing with the FCX is that you must work with mouse, and that thing I hate most, I already have RSI on my right hand that I use mouse, for the people that work daily editing it is the basic need, who knows if we will gonna work on large touchscreens in few years it will be nice, but this shit is very good written, it drains the power from anything (finally use of multicore)... I hope that apple will not gonna leave the pro users, and turn out to be only iShit company from wich they get most of the money

    finally got it X is for Xpress so its a Final Cut Pro Xpress

  • arvidtparvidtp

    @ahbleza for 1080i => 1080p PsF, select clip(s), then go to the inspector's info tab and choose the "settings view" from the pop-up menu at the bottom of the inspector. Several very well hidden settings will show up, including the ability to force a clip to be treated as progressive. This way you can just use FCP X to import your video and not worry about clipwrap or anything. The footage will claim to want to be rendered i think on the timeline I think, but that's less and less of an issue these days.

    My main gripe with FCP X right now is inadequate keyframing for motion of video clips. Alex4d has some nice plugins on his site for that, some of which i've tried and are very helpful, but still not the ideal, fully integrated solution. Also keyframing color correction would be much appreciated. Oh, and OMF export now that they broke Automatic Duck.

  • 5thwall5thwall

    @oneday i have used a wacom tablet for years. i highly highly highly recommend them if you have RSI. also, the pen has helped made me an insanely fast editor in the programs.

    @arvidtp i've given up on keyframing until they fix the bugs. keyframes always default to ease-in, ease-out even if you have them set to constant. supposedly, there's some way to add additional constant keyframes and then delete them that will fix the problem. but still... grrr...

  • ahblezaahbleza

    @arvidtp Thanks mate! Any idea on finding out the bitrate of clips inside FCPX?

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