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California industry: Don't try to make our doctors smarter
  • A bill was introduced in 2011 in California that would mandate that physicians and surgeons must attend 7 hours of nutritional education courses over the course of the following 4 YEARS. That is less than 2 hours of training per year. Yet a number of health related industry reps opposed this.

    How dare we attempt to educate our doctors about the truth behind most disease or do anything that might challenge the meat and pharma industry!

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  • Yet a number of health related industry reps opposed this.

    Because it is expenses :-) System that made to sales and profit can't work good for people needs.

  • "System that made to sales and profit can't work good for people needs."

    Works very well in my country. I feel sorry for the USA.

  • @caveport

    Of course. Do you live at the Capitalism Eden 1 ?

  • Because it is expenses :-) System that made to sales and profit can't work good for people needs.

    I don't think it is about expenses related to the instructional courses. It is about the collusion between the food and pharma/medical industries that benefit from disease. They don't want our doctors to be telling people not to eat the shitty quality food being mass produced here in favor of unprocessed whole foods. They don't want any competition, and we suffer for it.

  • @Vitaliy "Of course. Do you live at the Capitalism Eden 1 ?"

    No. I live in a country with a reasonable health care system. Whenever a politician with a leaning to the right suggests modifying it to try to move money into the private insurers hands, the public outcry is deafening. You don't need socialism to make things work, just an informed and moderately intelligent population. An even better example is Singapore. 100% ruling-class right wing capitalism with a hint of democracy and fantastic Government run health, housing & education systems. OK, it's not perfect, but just about ANYTHING is better than the USA's "If you can't afford it, well just F O and die" attitude. I call it "Pay or Pray".

  • No. I live in a country with a reasonable health care system. Whenever a politician with a leaning to the right suggests modifying it to try to move money into the private insurers hands, the public outcry is deafening.

    Can you tell more about your local health care system?

    An even better example is Singapore. 100% ruling-class right wing capitalism with a hint of democracy and fantastic Government run health, housing & education systems.

    Singapore can't be any example, same as Switzerland. As they are not really independent countries and more like small branch of other countries. Same as finance department :-)

  • Medical debt is No. 1 reason people file for bankruptcy

    About 1 in 10 adults delay medical care due to costs.

    1 in 5 working-age Americans with health insurance have trouble paying off their medical bills

    60% of people who have problems paying their medical bills have been contacted by a collection agency in the past year.

  • @Vitaliy "Singapore can't be any example, same as Switzerland. As they are not really independent countries and more like small branch of other countries. Same as finance department :-)"

    Can you explain your thinking? I am very familiar with Singapore so am quite interested in the concept of them not being independent. My experience is different from yours. Have you ever lived there?

    Our Health Care system is a bit complicated to explain but in a simple way could be described as a small levy on income that supports the poorer people when they need services. Basically 85% of most medical expenses are reimbursed by the government. There is also a large private (insurance) health system for those who like to pay for 'premium' services.

  • Singapore or Switzerland are living from hosting banks as a safe haven. It's their 'natural resource'.

    Rich Arabian oil possessing countries have an excellent health care system too – for their citizens. But beware if you are one of their slaves from poor countries like the Philippines or Bangladesh…

  • @caveport

    Can you explain your thinking? I am very familiar with Singapore so am quite interested in the concept of them not being independent.

    You can just check Singapore history, look at the map.

  • Well there's a solid scientific approach. Facepalm

  • @caveport Did you really expect a thorough defense of reasoning and explanation of ideas? :)

  • @caveport

    Thing that I said is basic knowledge. If you feel offended if someone want you to go and read bit of history and look at the map to understand place value, well, you are hopeless.

  • I'm not offended in any way. I'm amused.

    Did you know that Lee Kuan Yew was a communist? Yes, that's right! He turned Singapore into a kind of dictatorship with hints of democracy. Reminds me of other senior communist politicians around the world and how they end up with dictatorial mega-egos.

    I have probably read and researched more on Singapore than you could ever know. Put your arrogance back in it's box, mate. You don't know everything!

  • Did you know that Lee Kuan Yew was a communist? Yes, that's right! He turned Singapore into a kind of dictatorship with hints of democracy.

    I am always amazed that you manage to do instead of self education:-)

    Singapore official student book

    "There was always a significant Chinese-educated faction within the party that held a different political view. From its founding, this faction was led by Lim Chin Siong, who adopted violent strategies through riots and street demonstrations. As this division developed, it split the party into two wings: the non-communist wing led by Lee Kuan Yew and the communist wing led by Lim Chin Siong."

    Who Lim Chin Siong was..

    Lim Chin Siong was a leftwing politician and trade union leader in Singapore in the 1950s and 1960s. He co-founded the People's Action Party in 1954, and galvanised many trade unions in support of the party with his popularity.

    He was advertised above as "communist" but he was really trade unionist.

    Lim had also denied consistently that he was a Communist. He did so for the last time in 1995, in the final interview he gave before he died.

    Surprise. He had some common ground as communists also organized and helped with unions strikes. But he actually never shared any of the communist goals.

    Now more on your stunt with Lee himself as "communist"

    Communist Party used violent action in support of union demands; as increasing violence led to the threat of a full-scale rebellion, the British colonial government declared a State of Emergency in 1948 that would not be lifted until 1960. The Malay Communist Party was suppressed once more; their anti-Japanese forces re-emerged as the Malayan National Liberation Army (MNLA) and fought a guerrilla war against Commonwealth forces.

    Lee made a name for himself in Singapore as legal counsel for two left-wing issues. He represented the Postal Worker’s Union during a strike and was rarely out of the local papers, issuing a barrage of statements and letters to editors. Lee helped to win significant concessions for the Union from the colonial government. Student activists who were backing the strike turned to Lee to defend them against charges of sedition for the publication of a student journal. Lee—ironically, given his later repressive dealings with the Singaporean press—argued for the inviolable right of the students to freedom of speech. The charges against the students were dismissed; the high-profile case established Lee as a champion of the left.

    He and a group of like-minded friends formed a new political party, the People’s Action Party (PAP). Lee became secretary-general. The new party had solid Trade’s Union support.

    Trade union leaders Fong Swee Suan and Lim Chin Siong were fluent in Chinese and had access to networks in the unions and Chinese middle schools.

    For Singapore's independence, he was prepared to seek common cause with anyone who signed up to the PAP's anti-colonial, socialist, non-communist agenda.

    So, Lee Kuan Yew together with a group of fellow English-educated middle-class men whom he himself described as "beer-swilling bourgeois", formed the 'socialist' People's Action Party (PAP) in an expedient alliance with the trade unionists.

    Trade union approach was common in UK to counter communist ideas with approach called "economism".

    And how Lee loved so called "pro communists"

    Operation Coldstore was a security operation launched in Singapore on 2 February 1963 in which at least 111 anti-government left-wing activists were arrested and detained, including key members of the opposition political party Barisan Sosialis. Others arrested included newspaper editors, trade unionists and university students. The operation, authorised by the Internal Security Council which comprised representatives from the British Colonial, Malaysian Federal and Singapore governments, was touted as an anti-Communist sting.

    It does not require much time to find later "achievements".

  • Lee Kuan Yew’s opportunity to formally enter politics came when members of the Singapore Chinese Middle Schools Union launched anti-colonial, non-violent protests against the enactment of the national service ordinance law on 13 May 1954. Forty-six to sixty students were arrested after an initial use of violence by members of the police riot squad. The student arrests gave rise to Lee's reputation as a "left-wing lawyer" which provided a path for Lee into Singaporean politics through the Communist Party of Malaya.

    Coincidentally on 12 November 1954, the People's Action Party (PAP) was officially inaugurated. Lee, together with a group of fellow English-educated middle-class men whom he described as "beer-swilling bourgeois", formed the "socialist" PAP in an expedient alliance with the pro-communist trade unionists. This alliance was described by Lee as a marriage of convenience, since his English-speaking group needed the Chinese-speaking majority's mass support base. Their common aim was to struggle for self-government and put an end to British colonial rule.

    Chin, C.C.; Hack, Karl (2005). Dialogues with Chin Peng: New Light on the Malayan Communist Party. Singapore University Press. p. 194.

    I have read his official autobiography where he also mentions his membership of the Communist Party of Malaya. He used the Communist Party of Malaya as a way to enter politics, not because he had a communist ideology.

    I don't need to look at a map. I know Singapore intimately and in more detail than you would expect. Singapore official student book = propaganda. You of all people should know this! There is a lot of missing information in most Singapore official literature, especially in schools.

    I will not comment further. This topic is closed for me. Just as you refuse to discuss anything relating to your country, I refuse to go any further into this.

  • @caveport

    Can I look at the part of autobiography where he talk that he was member of communist party?

    Only source I could find is exactly same fuzzy book reference you got from Wikipedia.

    Singapore official student book = propaganda. You of all people should know this!

    It is first citation and later from other sources it is shown that it was never any pro-communist wings in PAP.

    I will not comment further. This topic is closed for me. Just as you refuse to discuss anything relating to your country, I refuse to go any further into this.

    If you ask me, I don't care. Response was not written for you, but for readers.