@Vitaliy ....too often vaccine don't work, or have negative consequences ....so treatment options are far more utilitarian imho. Of course, for this to proceed, the chinese will have to be more forthright about the origins. With more people not believing official sources, china is in big trouble and should come clean. Most people in the world would be sympathetic. If they don't get it under control, it's appearing like it could bring down their govt...or even worse....cause a global catastrophe. The frankenstein myth has always been about our abilities to create our own demise, and our lack of ability to prevent it.

@Vitaliy .....the systems data says about 50% effective. My data says "dangerous" ! I visited my brother and his whole family got the shot. Next day all 4 were sick...I was the only one not sick....cause I didn't take the shot. I only took it once, and was sick for 3 months. It's bs that it can't give you the flu. Give me vit c any time ! Maybe smallpox was the only effective vaccine.

@markr041

Well, it is hard. In abstract vaccine made using killed virus can make you ill if it had been some big issue during manufacturing and some of them are not dead :-).

Most modern vaccines are actually made using only part of virus RNA that is enough for immune system and this definitely can't do anything.

@kurth Credentials don't trump idiotic statements. Patenting some specific thing does not make you an expert in statistics or medical science. And your response is another indication that you are incapable of understanding data and must resort to name calling. You could be a genius, but your posts here are ignorant and idiotic. And btw, I do not think you do want to pit your credentials against mine, but that is a stupid game that is irrelevant. I know it is embarrassing to have your statements contradicted by fact, science and reason so that you look bad, but only a child would react by spewing insults and chest puffing about credentials. Top-ten university - lol. Only ten years there? Didn't get tenure? Lost the ability to get grants? Posting "boring" videos is harmless; you are downright scary.

@mark041 ....haha...actually I sold one and retired...when I was 37 ! Just like before, you start the name calling and then want to dodge the blame.

@vitaliy...u can read...I didn't start it . And of course @mark041 probably believes that china didn't really create the corona virus in the bsl-4 lab just down the road from that animal market in wuhan as well. People like mark041 have blind faith in a system they have zero understanding of and zero experience actually working behind the curtain for, and feel comfortable in their ignorance. That's why he's not paranoid. He watches cnn and thinks they're telling him the truth. Information is freedom, but you'll notice mark041 wants to outlaw information. I simply told my story, as it happened to me. My brother who still is a tenured professor btw, also won't get the flu shot anymore. No one's telling anyone to not make up their own minds, or saying information should be censored. In a free world , everyone is free to use their own experiences to judge for themselves. That's my philosophy, unlike some.

@endotoxic ...and I'm supposed to give a shit with a silly "lol". And actually where the coronavirus originates and it's rna makes all the difference in finding a solution before it reaches and fucks your part of the world, wherever that might be, which demonstrates you have no fuxin idea. There's still not a single case in latin america, and it's hard to verify, but I believe not a single death from a non-asian. And whether you would want or be compelled by a totalitarian system to take a vaccine would as well be important. And for my part , while i'm not a virologist, I have lots of experience reading scientific peer reviewed information, so speak just for yourself on the comprehension aspect.

I think the best would be to be prepared... But..

In your case, and for the vastness of you knowledge maybe preparedness from others its not enough for you, maybe you need ISO 999,990. 9 for standards.

Maybe you know so much that you can make a difference. Wooow.

In that case... Why are you discussing with people here and not making a difference with all your scientist and friends.

Maybe here we are not on pair with your intelect and achivements.

Nonono.. Its me who its not undertanding, im sorry at all, anything, im sorry again im just a thirld world country person who lives in a house made of mud and rise alpacas and lives from the land. Lol.

I'm sorry its too funny see scared adult trying to find something they will not.

Please keep on.

@kurth The evidence I cited on C was about the flu, and not common colds. And there you go again citing credentials as a justification (Nobel Prize!). Here is a discussion about the evidence with respect to vitamin C that you can learn from, and thus you can save money on those vitamin pills: https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html

There is zero evidence for high doses of Vitamin C being effective against catching the flu or a common cold. There is no good evidence - your evidence is laughable - that flu shots cause the flu, and a sound medical model that explains why flu shots are safe. There could be some manufacturing defect for the "dead" virus type; you might want to see which type your family received if you actually want the truth.

I am for free expression, which is what I said - I prefer to let any idiotic statement be made with no credentialed authority deciding what is true because I have confidence that someone with actual knowledge would dispute it, which is what I did, with cites and no references to individuals. Linus Pauling did not win the Nobel Prizes for his supposition about Vitamin C. Like you, he was a genius, but genius does not make any opinion correct. Evidence is what is required, plus someone actually able to understand it (this latter point is NOT aimed at you).

You started the dialogue with me with your anecdote and conclusion about flu vaccines and then vitamin C. I disputed the vaccine nonsense, and you took it personally and then resorted to ad hominem arguments, which I pointed out. Now I am providing information that your vitamin C story is just as ill-informed. You are 0 for 2 in your opinions where we have evidence. So, how seriously should we take your hypotheses about the new virus?

Well, your misinformed views on flu vaccine safety and the benefits of C do not mean you are wrong about the origins of the new virus, because we do not have much evidence on that. So, you are thus free to spout any theory about it, which you have, and I will not dispute it, except to take into account the source. But I actually do think it is useful to speculate with a wide range of options, maybe even ones that seem nuts at first glance before we can obtain good data. I enjoyed your free thinking about the new virus.

@kurth In this thread about the new virus you interjected your crackpot theories about flu vaccine and then vitamin C. That is what precipitated the blowback that has got you in a tizzy.

You cannot read. I said I do not support censoring, unlike others, and believed in responding to stupid misinformation like yours, which is what I did. I am sure there are people who would like to remove your misleading and harmful post (not about me, I can take it) but about vaccines and vitamins. People could get sick following your nonsense.

There is no evidence that vitamin C prevents flu or colds. No systematic evidence, backed by medical science, supports your mistaken belief that flu vaccine causes the flu. Yes, you can never prove a negative, so you can always point to flaws in studies finding nothing. But there is simply no support for your view. Your claims have no backing from science, and your vaccine claim is based on a personal, unverified, anecdote (though I am sorry your family suffered, for whatever reason, from getting the flu). I agree with you that blind trust in anything is wrong, and not all government statements are correct. One should be judicious in whom one trusts. NIH and CDC have good records; they are not infallible.

And again, you call into question information by citing provider credentials. That tome I linked provided the evidence - it cites the relevant literature, it is just a summary. The author could be a genius like you (with patents!), or a clown, but the content is good.

@jleo ...really ? are they afraid we'll discriminate against monkeys? Also take what WHO says about anything with a grain. They have their own agenda, and generally it's not said for our good .

I moved offtopic discussion to separate topic.

China is conducting a clinical trial of 24,000 mg/day of intravenous vitamin C for coronavirus patients. They will receive it for 7 days straight at Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University. Honor and thanks to Zhiyong Peng, MD, for making this happen. He is chief physician and professor at the hospital, pretty much at ground zero for coronavirus. This study was filed and announced today.

U.S. National Library of Medicine ClinicalTrials.gov

China, Hubei Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University
Wuhan, Hubei, China, 430000

2019 new coronavirus (2019-nCoV) infected pneumonia, namely severe acute respiratory infection (SARI) has caused global concern and emergency. There is a lack of effective targeted antiviral drugs, and symptomatic supportive treatment is still the current main treatment for SARI.

Vitamin C is significant to human body and plays a role in reducing inflammatory response and preventing common cold. In addtion, a few studies have shown that vitamin C deficiency is related to the increased risk and severity of influenza infections.

We hypothize that Vitamin C infusion can help improve the prognosis of patients with SARI. Therefore, it is necessary to study the clinical efficacy and safety of vitamin C for the clinical management of SARI through randomized controlled trials during the current epidemic of SARI.

Vitamin C, also known as ascorbic acid, has antioxidant properties. When sepsis happens, the cytokine surge caused by sepsis is activated, and neutrophils in the lungs accumulate in the lungs, destroying alveolar capillaries. Early clinical studies have shown that vitamin C can effectively prevent this process. In addition, vitamin C can help to eliminate alveolar fluid by preventing the activation and accumulation of neutrophils, and reducing alveolar epithelial water channel damage. At the same time, vitamin C can prevent the formation of neutrophil extracellular traps, which is a biological event of vascular injury caused by neutrophil activation. Vitamins can effectively shorten the duration of the common cold. In extreme conditions (athletes, skiers, art workers, military exercises), it can effectively prevent the common cold. And whether vitamin C also has a certain protective effect on influenza patients, only few studies have shown that vitamin C deficiency is related to the increased risk and severity of influenza infections. In a controlled but non-randomized trial, 85% of the 252 students treated experienced a reduction in symptoms in the high-dose vitamin C group (1g / h at the beginning of symptoms for 6h, followed by 3 * 1g / day). Among patients with sepsis and ARDS, patients in the high-dose vitamin group did not show a better prognosis and other clinical outcomes. There are still some confounding factors in the existing research, and the conclusions are different.Therefore, during the current epidemic of SARI, it is necessary to study the clinical efficacy and safety of vitamin C for viral pneumonia through randomized controlled trials.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533