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Official Red Scarlet X topic
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  • @driftwood Did you pay 10K (before 31st December offer) or 14k for the kit ?
  • @driftwood Be sure to show us some awesome footage!

    Now, I know the RED vs Canon discussion ended on the first page, but I think it should be pointed out that the sensor on the C300 is in fact 4K.
    It makes use of the full resolution to create a 1080p image with no pixel interpolation.

    Theoretically, you could debayer the footage and get 4K.
    Or did I get everything ass-backwards?
  • You always need some interpolation with a Bayer pattern. What do you think a very small, colored moving object would do, if not?
  • But it's not used for interpolation like it would be traditionally.
    There's enough resolution to fill a 1080p frame, where each individual pixel on all color channels recieve their own unique value.

    My suggestion is that you could take that, and run it through a debayer process in post in order to get a 4K image.
  • If you can get a at the RAW data – yes.
  • @P4INKiller Canon already said they'll ship a 4K DSLR body in the next year, since many people were underwhelmed by a $20,000 1080p camera in 2012. That tells me to PASS on the C300, it's a nice camera for about 12 months, rent it if you need to, then nobody will talk about it by end of 2012 once everyone else releases 4K like Sony and ARRI will. By the way, no image seen on the demo didn't touch a lens less than $7000 lens I am aware of...

    In the meanwhile, if you want 4K, buy a Red Scarlet, shoot 4K Raw, slap on some F1.2 -F1.4 Canon L Glass, upgrade the sensor if you really need to when they release the Dragon, and don't look back for a couple of years...

    ref: see Philip Bloom to get an idea of similar setup, though he always uses slow-mo only available on EPIC:

    http://philipbloom.net/2011/11/11/amarillo/
  • @NickBen
    Or pick up your GH2 and start making something!... Anything!... The scarlet was a 3 year wait for me - and really considering the halcyon yesterdays days of RED this is little, and late(anyone remember 27k sensors? yeah.)

    PS: I refrained from calling it "too little too late"

    Besides- give Panny +VK 3 years from now and lets see what "THAT" can do! (GH4VK anyone)
  • @alcomposer The GH2 has been my "Original Scarlet" killer for a year now. The Scarlet-X is pretty much what the Epic-S was going to be, but at lower frame rates.

    BTW, I will NEVER go on a Red Scarlet-X shoot without the GH2 as B/C Cam, BTS camera or backup. That's how much I trust RED, and I bet the GH2 will look just as good at 1080p IF NOT BETTER...
  • @NickBen +1!

    Its not that I dislike or have any issue with Scarlet- in fact its the opposite. My problem is that there was so much 'heat' about what was going to happen- then came the big wait! In that time MANY things happened- and really the world has changed- looking at it now- the large camera makers have only NOW begun their development cycle of large format (well- larger than 1/8inch etc) sensors - they have SO much further to go.

    Japanese camera makers are already itching to get global sensors into their cams... this is only the beginning.

    What is happening is similar to Game Consoles v's PC's.
    A new game console comes out every 3-4 years- while a new PC- once a day.
  • Image quality is not the only thing that will separate the Scarlet-X from the GH2. It's actually very similar in a way to the Red One, but with better on-board processing and a smaller form factor. Less compression also helps improve the image, especially for VFX. REDCODE RAW is Red's advantage to many cameras in that price range. It's just so hard to beat because of the image quality and file size. Anyone looking to shoot cinema style should be thrilled with the Scarlet. Anyone who was hoping to use Scarlet for sports, fast-paced doc coverage, etc may be disappointed by the decision to move away from 2/3. I tend to think more people were happy about the way RED decided to go. If you take a step back and look at it objectively, pretty amazing that 4K just broke the sub $10K mark. I know that's not really how much it costs, but still considering Red One was $18K for the body and CF module (which was already cheap for what it did) now Red has made it even more affordable to get into 4K. Pretty amazing times if you ask me.
  • Still there is a bigger markt, for the red from 3 years back.
    http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7678/redscarlet.jpg
    but, hell yhea, maby red next step will be the cosumer market...
  • @mozes I have feeling that Red Scarlet 2/3 was too buggy or too poor low light performer to release to mass consumer market at this time. Telling people to "man-up" and calling Scarlet - X Professional, meant you are to pay more and expected to put up with same technical issues as other Epic users, which is seemingly still a buggy camera. Check out their forums, don't know how many Epic are in the wild, but seems very touchy at even this stage. Once they get their product and production kinks worked out over the next year, I agree they will probably go for mass market under $10K products.
  • Yes, as much as I like RED, they REALLY left a bad taste with me with their EARLY propagnda and leaving MANY of us hanging from tossing larger coin $$ to other companies.... I watched years roll by!
    I've work around a RED ONE before and sure it's great camera, but.....

    Not impressed, to say the least > and it's more about the politics, not the product.

    Consumer market.... hmmm.... I remember the slogan> Scarlet 3K for $3K years ago......................... yeah, right...
  • Guys, please calm down.

    This topic from now on is to discuss Scarlet, not to show your GH2 fanatizm or discuss RED marketing.
  • Do you think the Red Mags will be hacked? a 128gb Red mag SSD 1.8" costs $1,800. A regular 128gb 2.5" SSD costs around $150. I know they have locked up the interface. The Scarlet has lower data rates so a typical SSD most likely can handle it. I can definitely imagine neading 2 128gb mags if I bought a Scarlet. Thats an extra $3,600
  • @disneytoy

    It is, almost sure, hardware thing.
    You need to find specialists on this.
    About data rates, almost all modern SSD will handle rates required by Scarlet.
  • Maximum Data Rate for Epic is 225MB/s and Scarlet-X is 55MB/s at it's maximum.
  • @disneytoy I don't know a drive yet that can't be copied sector for sector with the various pc tools out there. Even if they stick a firmware on. Just buy identical drives (Hitachi SSD I think they use) at APS-C the price ;-)
  • @driftwood at $1800 I think that they are doing something strange to that HD, I wish you all the luck getting a generic SSD working- but obviously they are intending to make cash on selling SSD's not the camera- like printers= cheap hardware= ink vending machine.

    If they have put a custom firmware on that baby then unless your name is VK I don't think that could be fixed. :-(

    Keep us posted Sir!
  • Anybody have a good solution for power?

    I don't think the sidehandle and limited redvolt capacity suit my style of shooting, especially when they don't disclose minimum runtime yet. I ordered the redmote instead of the sidehandle. I'm Ideally looking for reasonably priced power I can travel with and power external monitor and prores recorder...

    Any tips?
  • They offer an adapter to their older power plates and then you can use any V-mount battery.

    The Redvolt was running about half an hour when I tested it recently, and that was a cold night. Given the size of it, the camera should run very long from any ordinary V.mount.
  • http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?67129-1st-Scarlet....

    After 3 years, no longer vaporware, 1st Scarlet-X customer today...

    I'm ready for all those shootouts!
  • Ok Vitaliy, lets talk about scarlet firmware hack... As we all know now, the scarlet is the epic... only a little disabled, a lot disabled; And a cheaper processing board. Would you be interested in doing a Ptool type of hack on the scarlet? And if so, then what would you need?
  • @Jon, No1 VK would need a Scarlet X ... :-D