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  • yo! Valkyrie flat 4 720p,, no hangups... testing continues,

    14mm 2.5 w/10x close-up adapt,,,wb- CLOUD

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  • @Tobsen Hi mate! :-)

    "Is Valkyrie 1.5 stable? So far, we shoot it with c1.3 and voigtländers and are quite happy. Should I upgrade it?"

    Again, honestly, I am not sure which is the best.

    If I clarify, the matrix of C1.3 and C1.4 is the same. C1.5 is another matrix. The difference between C1.3 and C1.4 is only 720p. Although I think that C1.4 is better than C1.3, sufficient test about stability has not been done yet. However, IMO, I think that thes all are stable in the same grade. Therefore, at the time of now, I cannot tell you "You should." Furthermore, supposing you use voigtländers, C1.3 or C1.4 may be better. It is because C1.5 is softer than C1.3 and C1.4.

    We need more tests.

  • @bkmcwd I wa kind of quiet the last weeks - testing my company's new FS700 ;) great cam but shitty stock lens! My colleague is going on a trip with our GH2. Is Valkyrie 1.5 stable? So far, we shoot it with c1.3 and voigtländers and are quite happy. Should I upgrade it?

  • @peternap Thanks for trying C1.4! :-) There is also 60p which the bitrate goes up in a static scene in other persons' settings. However, since they freeze in a motion scene, it is necessary to hold down only 60p to the low bitrate. So, I also think that your result is not bad.

  • @bkmcwd It's been stormy for 3 days now so it wasn't ideal conditions to test 720-60 in candidate1.4..... But I really wanted to try it out. Not much going on so the bitrate is low but it's not bad. This was at 1600 iso using a tack sharp 50mm Canon lens so I wouldn't want it to look any softer. With another lens, it may be too soft. I'll try tomorrow if it clears up.

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  • NEW!

    bkmcwd Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO2 Candidate1.5 'Apocalypse Now' with cbrandin 'Pure Original 444 Matrix' and 'Modified 444 Matrix' - Seta.ini - Released 09/10/2012

    This is the version which adjusted more soft the matrix of 1080i and 720p in C1.4.

    I am not sure whether it is best among C1.3, C1.4, and C1.5.

    Please try these and compare. And I am very glad if feedback can be got.

    *If this is also still unstable, I will further adjust.

    Special thanks to @har_k, @syoushow, @Tobsen, @peternap, @jul, @towi, @flaschus and @Berlin! :-)

    Of course, thanks to @cbrandin and KING @driftwood!

    *24p is the same as usual.

    Warning! : In this C1.5, HBR may freeze. Please use C1.6. : http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/91749#Comment_91749

    • Superb-looking simulated 444 matrix from cbrandin

    • Modified 444 matrix from my BETA Team in Japan is adopted in HBR/1080i and 720p modes.

    • Upto 140M for Top Quality 1080p24 at Q18

    • Upto 140M for Top Quality 1080p30 at Q18 in 24L mode with 80% Slow-Motion Mode (No Sound)

    • Upto 75M for Top Quality HBR/FSH modes

    • Upto 75M for Top Quality 720/50p modes

    • Upto 50M for Top Quality 720/60p modes

    • Extremely reliable top performance in AVCHD 24H and 24L

    • 80% Slow-Motion is available in 24L only

    • Fully working iA and iDynamic modes if you require them

    • Beautiful 3 GOP bringing short GOP style detail & movement-rendition in 24p and 1080i

    • Bush of Death / Death chart tested.

    • Wonderful Pasadena Pulse Audio Patch V2 B2, by Per Lichtman

    • Top quality 2K mjpeg Mode in HD by Nick Driftwood

    • In camera playback is sometimes not available in 24p. In other mode, available after reboot the camera.

    *I especially recommend you use with SanDisk 95MB/s 64GB SDXC card.

    bkmcwd Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO2_Candidate1.5 'Apocalypse Now' with cbrandin 'Pure Original 444 Matrix' and 'Modified 444 Matrix'.zip
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  • @Berlin Many thanks for testing my settings and feedbacks! :-)

    Is artifacts which you have pointed out the mosquito noise? In this matrix, it may be difficult for stopping these on all the scenes. About Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO2, since I will release C1.5 soon, please also try it.

    @brodieg Thanks for your comment! :-) Please also try C1.5.

  • artefacts...

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  • stream parser

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  • @bkmcwd thanks for your work.
    THANK YOU very much.

    Here is another test I did.

    patch: bkmcwd Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO2 Candidate1.4 'Apocalypse Now' with cbrandin 'Pure Original 444 Matrix' and 'Modified 444 Matrix'
    lens: 20mm/1.7
    picture profile "standard 0/0/0/0"
    foto = control picture (thats how I want my film to look!!! just in many many more FPS than 1)
    30pin24 = 80% mode
    25p/30p = HBR
    foto and 720p resized to 1920x1080

    Unfortunately we have many artefacts in the HBR modes and in the 50i/60i modes.
    I still like the "maximal I frame" idea. I also like 60 FPS.
    So i want this to work, but at the moment I just can't use it.

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  • 1.3 is awesome, especially in hbr 30p is where im seeing it shine, i was running sedna before for the longest time and hbr always had weird artifacts and interlacing in grass and such, it would almost look better sometimes deinterlaced than viewing it progressive, but with 1.3 just view it as progressive and it looks amazing, hard to tell from 24p sometimes (i film action sports and hate the look of 24p so i rarely use it)

  • THANKS again for this wonderful patch.
    I like the "I Frame MAX" approach.
    I have a Sandisk 64GB/95mbs card and do not need spanning.
    so increase the settings to the absolute maximum please! :-)

  • here the streamparser results.

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  • patch: GOLGOP3-13-MAX_Candidate 2
    lens: 20mm/1.7
    picture profile "standard 0/0/0/0"
    foto = control picture
    30pin24 = 80% mode
    30p = HBR
    foto and 60p resized to 1920x1080

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  • Hello and thanks from "Berlin"... ;-)
    I love your work and did a quick test with "GOLGOP3-13-MAX_Candidate 2".

    summary:
    30p HBR had artefacts and 720@60p is far inferior to 1080@60i.
    The 60i looks VERY good.
    (I need 60fps, either in i or p. so this interests me most)

  • @ GOLGOP3-13 lovers :-)

    "GOLGOP3-13-A_Candidate 2" and "GOLGOP3-13-MAX_Candidate 2"

    I release the each 2nd candidates for "GOLGOP3-13-A" and "GOLGOP3-13-MAX" settings.

    This is the version which improved only 720p of C1s. I think that the new GOP table here is probably more stable. However, I am not sure strictly, either.

    Please try them! And many thanks for your feedbacks!

    Special thanks to @towi! :-)

    *Of course, already combined with excellent audio tune @thepalalias's "Pasadena_Pulse_Audio_V2_Beta2"


    NOTE:

    *Although bit rate setups are quite high, the bit rate which actually appears are lower than these. Since the actual bit rate changes by the object to shoot, please confirm by yourself.(Max bitrate : about 110M in 24p, about 75M in HBR.)

    *These two settings are completely the same except 24p.

    *24H and 24L are high quality 3GOP setting with mega size I-frames in GOLGOP3-13-A.

    *24H and 24L are high quality 3GOP setting with super mega size I-frames in GOLGOP3-13-MAX.

    *24p80%(30p) is available in 24H & 24L both.

    *60i, 50i, HBR30p and HBR25p are also high quality and stable 3GOP settings.

    *720/50p and 720/60p are 6GOP and 9GOP. It has tuned up so that the bit rate at the time of motion may go up rather than the time of statics.

    *I especially recommend you use with SanDisk 95MB/s 64GB SDXC card.

    *In camera playback is available in all rec mode except 24p in GOLGOP3-13-MAX, at least available after reboot the camera.(Not tested full yet, but probably)

    *EX Tele, iA mode work.(Not tested full yet, but probably)

    *Spanning in 24H, 24L with SanDisk 95MB/s 64GB SDXC Card. In other rec mode, need test.

    *Spanning in other cards needs to be tested.

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  • NEW!

    bkmcwd Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO2 Candidate1.4 'Apocalypse Now' with cbrandin 'Pure Original 444 Matrix' and 'Modified 444 Matrix' - Setc.ini - Released 08/10/2012

    This is the version which improved only 720p of C1.3. I think that the new GOP table here is probably more stable. However, I am not sure strictly, either.

    Please try this. And I am very glad if feedback can be got.

    *If this is also still unstable, I will further adjust.

    Special thanks to @har_k, @syoushow, @Tobsen, @peternap, @jul, @towi and @flaschus! :-)

    Of course, thanks to @cbrandin and KING @driftwood!

    *Except 720p, it is altogether the same as C1.3.

    • Superb-looking simulated 444 matrix from cbrandin

    • Modified 444 matrix from my BETA Team in Japan is adopted in HBR/1080i and 720p modes.

    • Upto 140M for Top Quality 1080p24 at Q18

    • Upto 140M for Top Quality 1080p30 at Q18 in 24L mode with 80% Slow-Motion Mode (No Sound)

    • Upto 75M for Top Quality HBR/FSH modes

    • Upto 75M for Top Quality 720/50p modes

    • Upto 50M for Top Quality 720/60p modes

    • Extremely reliable top performance in AVCHD 24H and 24L

    • 80% Slow-Motion is available in 24L only

    • Fully working iA and iDynamic modes if you require them

    • Beautiful 3 GOP bringing short GOP style detail & movement-rendition in 24p and 1080i

    • Bush of Death / Death chart tested.

    • Wonderful Pasadena Pulse Audio Patch V2 B2, by Per Lichtman

    • Top quality 2K mjpeg Mode in HD by Nick Driftwood

    • In camera playback is sometimes not available in 24p. In other mode, available after reboot the camera.

    *I especially recommend you use with SanDisk 95MB/s 64GB SDXC card.

    bkmcwd Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO2_Candidate1.4 'Apocalypse Now' with cbrandin 'Pure Original 444 Matrix' and 'Modified 444 Matrix'.zip
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  • When I made Valkyrie FLAT4, I was able to know the better GOP table especially in 720p. I may release later TYPE-ZERO2_C1.4 which adopted this GOP table. :-)

  • NEW!

    bkmcwd Valkyrie Flat4 'Apocalypse Now' with Driftwood's Flat 4 Matrix in all modes - Setd.ini - Released 08/10/2012

    This is the very experimental setting inspired from @flaschus. Since it is a very difficult matrix being stabilized, the completely new GOP tables are adopted in all the modes.

    Honestly, in this setting, I have not done evaluation for looking. I myself am not sure whether this setting is significant.

    However, IMO, this is the very stable setting as well as previous my settings.

    Please try this. And I am very glad if feedback can be got.

    If this is also still unstable, I will further adjust.

    Special thanks to @flaschus! :-)

    Of course, thanks to @cbrandin and KING @driftwood!

    • Upto 140M for Top Quality 1080p24 at Q18

    • Upto 140M for Top Quality 1080p30 at Q18 in 24L mode with 80% Slow-Motion Mode (No Sound)

    • Upto 75M for Top Quality HBR/FSH modes

    • Upto 75M for Top Quality 720/50p modes

    • Upto 50M for Top Quality 720/60p modes

    • Extremely reliable top performance in AVCHD 24H and 24L

    • 80% Slow-Motion is available in 24L only

    • Fully working iA and iDynamic modes if you require them

    • Beautiful 3 GOP bringing short GOP style detail & movement-rendition in 24p and 1080i

    • Bush of Death / Death chart tested.

    • Wonderful Pasadena Pulse Audio Patch V2 B2, by Per Lichtman

    • Top quality 2K mjpeg Mode in HD by Nick Driftwood

    • In camera playback is sometimes not available in 24p. In other mode, available after reboot the camera.

    *I especially recommend you use with SanDisk 95MB/s 64GB SDXC card.

    bkmcwd Valkyrie Flat4 'Apocalypse Now' with Driftwood's Flat 4 Matrix in all modes.zip
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  • @flaschus I sent PM. :-)

  • @bkmcwd

    "Although it is still before the last test about PAL, do you try NTSC before a release? :-)"

    Yes! when can I try it out?

    the I=P=B scaling seems like a great concept...

    thank you for explaining in detail!

    Also, thank you for all your hard work!

  • @flaschus

    I have not verified yet about the new settings of Nick. However, I was able to stabilize Valkyrie which combined FLAT4 matrix. Since a new GOP table was adopted as this, it is very stable.

    Although it is still before the last test about PAL, do you try NTSC before a release? :-)

    "which is correct for the 9 gop structure of c1.3's settings? the same scaling for all I, P and B frames or different, like in the BOOMv2?"

    First, priority is given to reproducing the concept of Chris as it is as much as possible in my TYPE-ZERO 1&2 first in principle. Therefore, the scaling matrix and the Deblocking table are I=P=B. In the stock, these are different as you also know. 444 matrices were not able to be adopted in HBR or 720p as it was so that Chris might say. How I also break down I=P=B at first was adopted. However, in at least 3GOP structure, since it turned out that the difference of the appearance of the I frame and the B frame sticks out too far, and it becomes the pulsation for every frame, I decided to follow I=P=B.

    Therefore, this is "which not to be correct" but "a difference in a concept."

    If my explanation gets across to you, although I am glad ...

  • @peternap

    Many thanks mate! :-)

    BTW, Although I think that the name of the setting in StreamParser is reverse, how is it about Screen grabs?

  • @bkmcwd

    hello! hope you are great;;

    i have done major testing in the past couple of days... going cross eyed... lol

    with the flat 4 matrix, when using intra for 24p modes,,i like it, but , i feel like there could be MORE..

    i still believe that with a monster sized I-frame and nice 3gop structure that the flat 4 could be the money all-round... (the money = very good)

    also, @driftwood released matrixes for his flat4 @720 in his 'BOOMv2' release... which fill in the gaps of scaling for P and B frames....

    in the BOOMv2 release however, the 720p60 crashes violently, as this patch was desiged for PAL =o(....

    so,

    I insert the 720 i p and b frame scaling into c1.3 and ---viola!

    the 9gop structure of candidate 1.3's 720p60 mode seems stable and is delivering the money shots...

    as far as I can tell these settings are stable,

    SO... that being stated, my question for @bkmcwd is;

    did I put the matrixes in the right place??? or is there a different spot to place them with the c1.3 settings??

    for example, when I look at your c1.3 settings: the I P and B frame scaling is identical, both for 1080p and 720p

    but,

    when I look at the flat 4 matrixes: I P and B scaling, the I scaling is different than the P and B... hmmm,,

    which is correct for the 9 gop structure of c1.3's settings? the same scaling for all I, P and B frames

    or different, like in the BOOMv2?

    also, for the 3gop in 24p mode?

    thank u..

  • I did a light post in ver1 and c1.3 and the difference shifted a little. They really are different settings for different purposes but C1.3 is so good I have to compare others with it to decide how and where to use them.

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