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  • Who or What Started the Wuhan Coronavirus Epidemic? On the Condemnation of "Conspiracy Theories" as a Device for Protecting Officialdom’s Lies, Disinformation, and Obfuscation. by Anthony James Hall

    https://ahtribune.com/world/3930-who-or-what-started-the-wuhan-coronavirus.html

  • I'm from Germany and at the moment I wonder a lot about information politics regarding corona virus. We have currently at least 260 infected people. I wonder that we receive no information about dead people in numbers. We hear a lot about numbers from other countries but for our country we seem to have none???

    Chemical industry is short regaring Isopropanol, bulk prices more than doubled. Currently we cannot buy any toilet paper in the super market as shelves are empty.

  • @jleo...a really great article. And thanks for the ideas !

  • @tida

    Well, ruling class is small or large panic modes (depends on country).

    As it is first serious pandemia since around 1914-18, and at the time no one cared much about workers health, stuff had been much more local and from 20 up to 85% of people actually had been living in the countryside.

  • @tida...first rule...don't believe government. Second rule....don't believe government. Third rule...be cautious and think for yourself based on information gleaned from multiple sources. The article jleo posted is highly informative. @Vitaliy should be commended for letting this thread run with much good information. If there's no toilet paper, I'd say the majority in your area are getting prepared. Italy pretty well contradicts the idea this is an intentionally racially targeted bioweapon, but rather an accidentally escaped bioweapon. As well...comparing to the spanish flu outbreak....the first year was relatively mild...the 2nd year, it came back with vengeance and killed mostly young people. This has the potential to be far worse.

  • @kurth

    Comparing to the spanish flu outbreak....the first year was relatively mild...the 2nd year, it came back with vengeance and killed mostly young people. This has the potential to be far worse.

    We are not in early 20th century, but state of biological science is horrid.

    I can hear various doctors, politicians, idiots and so on. But good applied science is mostly silent.

    At best it is some fuzzy statements and playing games how to avoid any responsibility.

    And this guys must be held accountable, as they visited tens of conferences and congresses (usually in fancy warm places) using money of normal people for many years. But as it is big issue they suddenly do not know a shit.

  • Dr Campbell on the new L and S forms of the virus....

  • @Vitaliy....the peer pressure on mainstream scientist to regurgitate the govt propaganda is horrendous. As was the case with 911, any academic who spoke "conspiracy theory" was blackballed and usually their careers were tossed. We've seen here in this very thread attempts to ridicule any ideas not accepted by the masses. The global secondary repercussions of the pandemic, such as what we eluded to about cash, or the availability of some future vaccine, based on wealth, are definitely beneficial to the globalist...who control the purse strings. The reduction of population has long been a globalist agenda. George HW Bush called us "useless eaters". Every time some global conspiracy event occurs, it wakes people up. At a certain point, it'll tip. It might be tipping in China right now. The bioscience community, which I speculate is similar to most academic science communities, is up to it's forehead in making bioweapons. They're not looking for miracle cures for cancer, much as we'd like to believe. I said before 99% of govt grants are funded by the defense industry, either directly or under the cover of other departments like energy. What's got to happen is bioweapon research must stop. Sadly, that will only happen if this pandemic goes on steroids and kills millions. Another possibility is that other weapons are released simultaneously. If China feels it's been attacked, surely they are already preparing an answer. Contrarily, the article that jleo posted has some extremely scary shit...the chinese general who proposed killing off native populations with bioweapons so china could colonize whole continents. We see some tantalizing anecdotal evidence of this already. The problem is....we the people just want to enjoy our limited time on this planet, but our governments, who I look at as alien organisms, want to dominate everything.

  • @kurth

    What's got to happen is bioweapon research must stop.

    You can't stop new weapons development under capitalism. It is competition and winner do not care about real people.

    Instead you need to push much more people to try science and to have all information open. Early Youtube and parts of internet showed that people who are provided chance and who become fans and who are working hard are the real deal. Instead we are pushing lot of people into universities where all they want is to become another kind of prostitutes - sell their time and drunken brain to any capitalist or government who will accept their ugly self, but who do not care about real content of their work.

  • When bacteria, viruses and protozoa are exposed to the germicidal wavelengths of UV light, they are rendered incapable of reproducing and infecting. UV light has demonstrated efficacy against pathogenic organisms, including those responsible for cholera, polio, typhoid, hepatitis and other bacterial, viral and parasitic diseases.

    https://www.trojanuv.com/uv-basics

    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20180212/can-uv-light-be-used-to-kill-airborne-flu-virus-#1

    UV Sanitizing Wand

    https://www.jselect.com/jds-uv-sanitizing-wand.html

  • IU, the korean pop singer, singing for her deceased close friend. Skip to 1:25.

    "The world may be harsh, but we gotta love each other." That resonates as this virus crisis is uncovering many ugly heads. So sad for the families who lost their loved ones.

  • Best-case scenario is 15 million dead

    And worst case?

    Say big thanks for capitalism and its medical science.

  • @Vitaliy ...there's a click to read whole article....60 million...worst case. This is more the result of ignorance...or hidden plan. The USA's response has been embarrassing...but Mexico's as well. This "it's just the flu" shit drives the mass ignorance. Maybe this is a giant Darwin Award.

  • @kurth

    I suggest to read history to understand that it is not hidden plan.

    Just people who are good at stealing money, lies, exploiting and PR stunts are not good in science, organization and really caring for people.

  • @Vitaliy ....I suggest you read history to understand criminals-in-office always have hidden plans. The world revolves around conspiracy. In 1763 the british army and american colonist gave indians blankets contaminated with smallpox in the hope they'd spread an epidemic among the indigenous. Funny how some things never change. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt ....as well the anthrax attacks against US senators Daschle and Leahy was eventually traced to american biolabs.... https://www.wired.com/2011/03/ff_anthrax_fbi/. I personally find the US response to be so incredibly incompetent that it's inaction in the face of overwhelming warnings appears to be done on purpose.

  • @Vitaliy ...as well, the speech by Comrade Chi Haotian ­the Vice-Chairman of China's Military Commission , which I'd never heard about until I read the excellent @jleo's article posted above https://rense.com/general85/China'sPlanToConquer.htm ....shows China's longrange goals using biowarfare to genocide whole continents for their expansion. Telling me this is just a pr stunt is like telling me some bearded dude living in a cave in afghanistan pulled off 911. And let's not forget Roosevelt's advanced knowledge and intentional failure to warn of the Pearl Harbor attack.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory .... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8932197/Pearl-Harbour-memo-shows-US-warned-of-Japanese-attack.html . And the Gulf of Tonkin incident faked to get us into Vietnam... https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2008/february/truth-about-tonkin . And let's don't let the Israeli's off the hook....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

  • It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths, But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we'd have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party.

    It is so bullshit :-)

    I mean even if they have such plans and develop stuff, they never make such "speeches".

    As for PR, I just mean that present political elites are best doing PR stuff.

    Any hidden plan must be executed by someone, and it looks at best as hidden plan that went off the rails due to execution.

  • @Vitaliy ....and even official sources admit to biological warfare "hidden plans".... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1326439/ . And conspiracies are rampant about ebola and hiv being developed and used as bioweapons. Bullshit ? ....all you have to do is read american thinktanks papers. And to think China doesn't have these goals is so naive. Just look at their property investments. They own British Columbia already, as well as large parts of the US.

  • eBay is escalating its fight against online price gouging during the coronavirus outbreak with a new outright ban on all sales of face masks, hand sanitizer, and disinfectant wipes

    I like the logic.

    During hard times you can see all beauty of capitalism.

  • @Vitaliy....ok to be fair...here's 2 articles about the speech questioning it's authenticity....http://theglitteringeye.com/whats-a-reliable-source/ .... https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/sino-fascism-john-derbyshire/. So this topic has raised some eyebrows before. But, if you mirror american rightwing thinktank content, this is what you'd possibly hear in China. But the speech was only one example I gave , out of many.

  • @Vitaliy ""and it looks at best as hidden plan that went off the rails due to execution"'...yeah...I can agree with that ! But let's not forget this.... https://www.businessinsider.com/top-researcher-suggests-israel-get-nastier-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-9?r=MX&IR=T ...just one example of american zionist thinktank content

  • Only 1,895 people have been tested for the novel coronavirus in the US, according to reporting by The Atlantic. South Korea is testing around 10,000 people a day.

    I think nothing is wrong here. Testing is not profitable, so must be avoided.

    Much more profitable is to have sick people inside private medicine. Plus can part with their housing also, don't need it anyway.

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    And people always asked how US pension funds will meet their ends. This is how.

    Add here that rates are here only as ALL have access to best medicine necessary and it won't be the case soon.

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