3-axis stabilizers ala FreeFly MOVi or ZenMuse - DIY and commercial

Andreask

The price will be for a tested and tuned unit and is directed to people who want to purchase a complete and proven system rather than the DIY guy. It is possible to build DIY for less but beleave me, it needs a lot of work and time to finetune it. Nobody who builds these kind of stabilizers for himself will count his own time but as you start building for others you'll have to calculate that in.

I think that's why all the new companies come to similar starting prices, which are way below the MoVI, though. I know of two chinese companies that came up with their own systems, even their own software, but I also heard of a price much higher than ours.

http://www.portahead.de

bimdas

There's a brushless camera gimbal on eBay for $479us that can handle a nex5n or gopro. Search for item number 251295764461 Looks decently priced if it works.

Andreask

If we decide to offer a smaller version for nex or lumix it'll of course be cheaper. But I think for all cameras with Super 35 chipsize you'll need a remote focus anyway (... also with the upcoming blackmagic pocket cinema camera for example) so the 2 kg weight range seems perfect, even with those small cameras. Though the GH3 has a object tracking autofocus that works quite well, but the wifi connection to the smartphone is a little tricky for paid jobs...

Also the stabilized third axis is very important for shooting handheld.

http://www.portahead.de

Riker

@Andreask do you possibly have another demo for your product? I feel like the one you have posted on your website isn't showing all the possibilities of the system, and since I'm from Europe, I believe a lot of EU customers would be interested in your system, but at that pricetag the video should be more "show-off"...do you have another one in plan?

Andreask

Yes of course, we'll make a better demo as soon as possible... also including car to car shots, preceding actors, skateboarders... :).

http://www.portahead.de

zvex1

Hi, if your after cheap brushless gimbals that work then go check out goodluckbuy or rctimer. I would only use alexmos gimbal controller but you can buy the clones very cheap now, but I find the alexmos works loads better, and has a better gui. rctimer have a very nice fully adjustable sony nex/dslr size gimbal with motors due out next week(1st week of july) and only £100. also check out rcgroups loads of info on there..... most gimbals on ebay are from goodluckbuy!!!! you can buy direct and save loads.... this is a link for the rctimer dslr gimbal http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=912&productname=

Riker

@zvex1 what do they mean by "GH5 camera"..what kind of machine is that?

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@bimdas

You mean this

WIthout controller, $139

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FPV-Brushless-Camera-Gimbal-for-Mini-SLR-Sony-5N-GH2-LX7-or-Similar-Two-Axis-PTZ-/251277373894?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a814c71c6

This is DIY version requiring assembly for $299

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brushless-Camera-Gimbal-Combo-for-Mini-SLR-Sony-5N-w-Motors-and-Controller-PTZ-/261217614982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd1c87c86

Ready to fly

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brushless-Camera-Gimbal-RTF-Ready-to-Fly-for-Mini-SLR-Sony-NEX-5N-Gopro-Hero3-/251295764461?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a82650fed

Riker

Noob question: what affects the overall balance of the gimbal the most? Gyroscope, CPU speed, firmware, motor...because, I'm being realistic here, none of these stabilization systems are 100% dead on. If they're controlled by gyro, how can that even be an issue?

zvex1

no thats one to avoid, lots of this sort of thing on goodluckbuy,,, boom clamps and bolts make it hard to balance camera, as soon as you do up the bolts the balance will change slightly, real pain to get right and wast of time... I would go with an aluminium gimbal as it will work like a heat sink for the motors and help them stay cool also with carbon by the time you add all the clamps, bolts, washer, its becomes heavier than one made of aluminium.... this is where we need to go with brushless gimbals nice clean lines, compact,

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1872299&page=6 (scroll down the page abit)

they now make a fully adjustable one, this is very much like the one rctimer will be selling but not as good looking........

bimdas

After checking out rcgroups, it seems brushless gimbals are still in their early days and the parts that make them up are fairly cheap. The movi is ridiculously overpriced which is why we're seeing more reasonably priced alternatives pop up in such a short time. These guys are selling a movi look-a-like frame for $1500 here http://www.brushlessgimbals.com/p/8688103/bg-flex-gimbal---3-axis-brushless-handheld-gimbal-frame.html The brushless motors and controllers only cost a few hundred extra so it will be interesting to see what will be on the market in a year or two.

double_vision

@bimdas that's a sick one! If they make a smaller version for the pocket cinema camera, I will definitely buy it.

HillTop1

@bimdas, thanks for link!! That's what I had said from the start, the prices are just ridiculously over priced. I was hoping that the defy gimbal learn and price it well but $2300 to just carry 2Ibs!! get outa here!! We are getting there, $1500 is more like it though I think they can still shave out some few $$ and still make profit. It's all in the programming, you can get parts for $300.

B3Guy

@Andreask for what it is worth, I think your pricing is just about spot on for a "ready-to-go" unit capable of handling reasonably heavy cameras. People complain about price because they see how cheap the kits are for smaller units, but those are really only able to support the weight of a GoPro/compact cam.

bimdas

Here's more to add to the list.

http://player.vimeo.com/video/68709977

http://madetofly.com.au/shop/gimbal/redi-gimbal/

bimdas

Its looking more and more promising each day. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PRE-ORDER-free-shippingby-DHL-Fedex-Brushless-3-Axis-Camera-Gimbal-handle-gimbal-Stabilized-Mount-for/903692102.html

$988 without the controller.

3-axis controller: http://shop.myairbot.com/index.php/evvgc-3-2axis-brushless-gimbal-controller.html

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Its looking more and more promising each day. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PRE-ORDER-free-shippingby-DHL-Fedex-Brushless-3-Axis-Camera-Gimbal-handle-gimbal-Stabilized-Mount-for/903692102.html

Remember that it does not come with controller and software :-) It is more like DIY thing. And I am not fully sure that one you references will do. Or you found someone who already made it working?

GravitateMediaGroup

BeSteady prices announced, ranging from $650 to $3k

(as for now it won't be compatible with the BMCC/4k, 4.4 lbs (2 kg) max load)

http://nofilmschool.com/2013/06/affordable-gyrostabilizer-besteady-one-prices/

kevin_kirchman

That besteady price is misleading, I thought the 600 was for a handheld brushless gimbal, but it's actually just the handle and parts to make it handheld. It's 2k plus if u want a working unit

bimdas

@Vitaly There's a thread started by the creator of that controller on the rcgroup forum http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1872199 From the looks of it, he's provided the firmware and software as open source. There's also a few other 2 axis controllers out there with the supporting software. To control the third axis you have to use two of them.

gib

This looks quite promising, a 3 axis version being worked on soon

$200 to make the 2 axis one himself http://tomparker.co/projects/#/esteady-1/

ahbleza

And here's another one from Poland.

http://www.monkey-gimbal.com/

The guy seems to have some experience with heli mounts.

http://en.vr360.pl/

kevin_kirchman

Dont think this one has been posted yet. This is the guy who actually came up with the Alexmos controller.

GravitateMediaGroup

has the kenyon been mention in this topic? i Just seen something about it working well with the BMCC where as some of the others can't quite handle the weight of it?

ahbleza

And here's another one for the GoPro for $200 called the eSteady. Go to 3:10 for the details.

http://tomparker.co/projects/#/esteady-1/

https://www.youtube.com/user/MotorReflex?feature=watch

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