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Official Nikon D600 and D610 topic
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  • They posted a downloadable video, I still downloading

    vimeo.com/49436646

  • I find it very very good. Very little aliasing (have to really search for it) and I saw moire once in one guy shoulder strap and another time a see like very faint moire in the water ripples at 3.45 and with there clothes there could have been a lot more. Very detailed and gorgeous dynamic range. Some rough shots in the car etc that seems to handle rolling shutter quite well. There is one place when the guy is in silhouette with a very gradual fade and no real banding.

  • I wonder what the problem is with these manufacturers not putting 1080p 60p? Is there some sort of hardware limitation or they are just lazy? Nikon doesn't even have to worry about a Pro Cinema division so they can go all out, but they don't.

  • @that1guyy the new Panasonic will have 1080P 60FPS

  • @that1guyy

    Is it limitation of sensor and ASIC used. It is much harder to make 60fps on full frame sensor.

  • @that1guyy Even if Nikon could get 1080 60p out of the D600 why would they put in a feature that makes it worse comparatively to the D800. They've stated their intentions with the D800, it may be unlikely that they'll improve on that until the next major line.

  • Here's the word from DPReview on the D600:

    The D600's UI is all but identical to the DX-format D7000, and It shares the same 39-point AF system. In terms of functionality though, the D600 also has a lot in common with its big brother the D800, particularly when it coms to video specification. Something that we didn't expect on the D600 was the ability to shoot uncompressed video footage via HDMI. This, plus a mic socket for an external microphone, and a headphone jack should make the D600 very appealing to videographers. The only real difference between the implementation of the D600's video mode compared to the D800 is that you can't adjust aperture during movie recording on the new model (unless you use an older manual focus lens with a mechanical aperture ring).

    OK, that confirms that the D600 is essentially a full-frame upgrade of the D7000, sharing a similar pixel-pitch, the same inability to alter aperture in Live View, and lacking a real-time histogram. While the D600 does feature broader video functionality, those features are available on the D5100 as well (except for 50/60p video modes). One feature I find highly useful, a fold-out LCD screen, is available only on the D5100. On cameras without a fold-out LCD, you're forced to either mount the camera directly in front of your eyes, or attach a separate video monitor.

    In terms of price, the D5100 is available for $550, while the D600 is listed at $2100. Both cameras feature 14-bit RAW stills and comparable dynamic range. What the D5100 lacks are an in-body focus motor, dual SD card slots, HDMI recording, audio monitor jack, auto-focus fine tuning, and custom gamma profiles. If you're looking for a still/video hybrid, can work without these pro features, and don't need a full-frame camera, the D5100 looks like a real bargain. What I'd really like, however, would be a D500 full-frame upgrade...

  • Oh I see. But what about APS-C models? Sony and Panasonic now manage to include the 1080p on all their DSLRS, even on Sony's new full frame.

  • They don't d600/d7000 have the same pixel pitch at all. The D7000 is a 16 megapixel apsc camera, while the d600 has a 24 megapixel full frame sensor, so about 2.2 more surface area than apsc. The direct equivalent is the d800 sensor with 36 megapixel.

    Now perhaps for photo quality those two camera d7000/d600 can be compared to a certain extent in raw (will have to see dxomark for DR). But I can tell you that Nikon has done big big advancement since the d800 compared to any earlier models. They cannot be compared at all in terms of DR, rolling shutter and details. Lets not forget the uncompressed hdmi out, with an Atomos ninja and perhaps a mosaic filter (Will have to see how it does with moire/aliasing in more urban scenery), it could become a beast in terms of full frame camera.

  • Hands-on with D600.

  • @ahbleza very encouraging for video users when he talks about the moire/aliasing. I think that as we have less pixel so less line skipping than in the d800 which result in better moire/aliasing. Perhaps if they had the same system in a 12 to 16 megapixel came we would get gh2 very low level of moire/aliasing.

  • @ahbleza that is a great video and also a great example of a SONY looking picture I don't want in my Panasonic Camera. The FS700 takes a pretty picture but it looks very processed. Did anyone else think Chris had been chromakeyed into the shot at 1 minute in?

    As I said in a comment for that video. 3:15 is priceless and why Nikon has no chance of attracting anybody who has ever used a proper LIVEVIEW camera

  • Nikon D600 came in just under D800 for image quality on DxOMark test. In low light it looks like it even beats the D800, which I suppose is to be expected:

    http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Nikon-D600-sets-high-bar-for-sensor-image-quality

  • Argh. I really wanted to like the D600 and consider it as an alternative to the 5D/6D for video. But the no aperture adjustment in LIVE view and the pitiful stock bitrate just kills it for me. It isn't realistic for me to pack an external recorder just to bypass the codec.

    Oh well...Nikon could have blown Canon out of the water in the video crowd with this. But they're getting closer!

  • I'm probably the exception rather than the rule but those issues are not issues to me. For non critical work that doesn't require heavy grading I see nothing wrong with the internal bitrate. For work that matters there is the Atomos and clean HDMI out. I also don't need aperture control on the body since all my lenses for video are fully manual Nikon AIS glass.

    I've heard that the aliasing on the D600 is actually better controlled than the D800, need to see more evidence of this though.

    Interesting times ahead and hard decisions to make if the D600 drops to a price that's close to the GH3. So many question marks about the GH3 sensor as well.

  • I'm pretty confident that the aliasing is better on D600 - it's a much smaller MP sensor than the D800, so it's dealing with a lot less scaling in the first place.

    Perhaps the aperture issue will be fixed in a firmware update, which would make it much more appealing to me. As for the bitrate, the extra cost of the Atomos + SSD basically puts it into Mk III territory, which has a vastly better codec built-in anyway. So it's a toss-up at this price point. 24mbps H264 is lousy, no matter which way you cut it.

    Still, it's encouraging to see Nikon jab Canon where it hurts. As for the GH3, the full tests will reveal what we have in store. An exciting time to buying hunting for equipment, for sure.

  • I didn't have the possibility to test the Nikon D600 but in my opinion is one of the most interesting camera of 2012/2013, Nikon made a big step in direction of the videographer and i'm happy for them.

    In paper the D600 look like almost the perfect machine (with the clean hdmi, 2 slot sd card, fullframe, interesting mode, etc)

    I think Nikon are going to listen more the videographer/pro recommendation and add some new features on the next firmware update (aperture in record mode and co), Nikon show that they are interested to the videographer and you can see it with the festival nikon http://www.festivalnikon.fr/ (third edition start this week already) Also i will not be surprised if Nikon add a slow motion mode similar to the one of the Nikon J1 but with a better resolution.

    Good Job Nikon for the D600

  • @swester I can't understand your point about 24 mbit avchd bitrate. What the Gh2 has shown is that its implementation of the 24 mbits codec is far superior to anything higher that Canon dslr have on camera. More so that the 5dmark 3 image is very very soft and that you can have a D600 + $ 300 hyperdeck shuttle for literally $ 1000 less. I don't think there is any comparison here.

  • Why do you think people have hacked the GH2 to begin with? My unhacked GH2 at stock bitrate is noisy as hell.

    I'm waiting until I've seen more test footage from the D600 before making my conclusions. That's all.

  • I think of all the cameras that just came out within my $1200 - $2300 budget, this nikon D600 is starting to look like the most appealing. Couple with the fact that I was in the market for a good still camera, this D600 with good video (hopefully great after more reviews) is slowly looking like a winner to me. Before the GH3 came out, I easily could have said the GH3 was my top camera but now I will I have to wait and play with the D600 and GH3 before I make a decision.

  • @swester I think I am not alone on this forum to think that the 24 mbit gh2 codec image is far superior to any of the Canon Dslr in the 50 to 70 mbit camera. The Sony fs100 24 mbit codec also has that same reputation. Now I am not saying it is perfect and far from it with lot of motion but number of mbit does correlate exactly with image quality, more so in the case of the Canon Dslr.

  • The early clips seem to suggest that although it gives higher detail, it also exhibits similar moire and aliasing of the D800. So I guess it's pick your poison: softness of the Mk III or jaggies on the D600.

  • Ask a guy the just got the D600 anything...

    So far beyond impressed... Only issue is that I now need two?! :-(