@Bwhits

NR is so deeply implemented on Gh5s video that as. Someone noticed, its too Deep to really know what it true or not.

That is why a hack on this camera could make a real diference game changer. I wonder only playing with matrixes and codecs could make Gh5s a troyano horse

@bwhits

Yes my friend. Panalenses distort the natural characteristic of things, since they are electronically corrected on camera, all its bad habits. Chromatic aberration, distortion and else. I don't know too what extent in the video mode this is implemented, but on photo its surely running.

Panasonic lenses are extremely high detailed lenses that make footage with clinical characteristics. This for me renders the worst and most plastic images on the market. Grate for showing camera capabilities, not for story telling.

I never use Panalenses on my rig. Not a way to get constant results on follow focus, behaviour and character.

@bernie

The issue here is the right iso setting for optimal performance.

I think the announced based iso is not what they say. It is not dual native iso. It is an implementation which was adapted to run "like" dual native iso, but it is not. It is the Hdr feature on sensor, that is emulating another phisical readout, you could understand by seeing the sensor technical papers.

What I meant is that this sensor has an ideal dynamic range on an ideal iso. We don't have that real information. From what I've seen iso 800/ 2500 seem the right one, but I can't say due to improper testing. And marketing lies.

All images shown on videos tell the same story. Overwhelming low light for m4/3, but detail and dynamic range being affected by noise reduction implementation, and sensor properties.

So... This camera ha an ideal range... I can't find it since the "dual native iso emulator" give us two values that are not native in nature of the sensor. This, I belive in variacam series, in this case, it is not.

So just for being tansparent, from my stand point, this dual native iso is pure marketing. This is bad for pros who understand sensor behaviour in a very technical way. Makes me doubt about real limits.

From what I've seen iso 6400 is the limit of clean.

@Vitaliy_Kiselev precisely

@endotoxic The fs5 has an option to shoot 120 FullHD continuous 422 10bit internally, in addition to buffer 240p FullHD 422 10bit. No camera beats that.

With an Atomos Inferno you can record 240p FullHD continuous 10bit 422, plus 4K DCI 60p 10bit 422.

And the auto ND is magic. In Resolve I have no trouble getting good colors from log. HLG is even easier. And I prefer the colors to those from Pansonic Vlog.

@endotoxic @Bernie How far can NR be turned off?

Gh5 s lacks detail in all tests I've seen. It was expected since it has less native resolution and downscaling to 4k from sensor in gh5 gives better detail

It would be interesting to see more resolution charts and how much the s line lacks behind.

The yellow tint is also very much present on Gh5s. Though it would not be a problem to implement both footages and intercut them.

I'm really close to buy new gear this time around. Eva-1 it is extremely detailed 4k, it is OK, but C200 kicks it ass un low light and color implementation, but it has this shit type code option and raw is not the answer for every take you do. Sony fs5 fs7 it is a pain in the ass to make color correction for any Sony log profile and lacks constant slow motion, Ursa mini Pro is still in year 2010 in its iso range and sensor implementation.

Every time I see this Gh5s footage and compare it to other bigger cameras and heavier equipment, make me wonder why I started with m4/3 in the beginning. Light weight with robust implementation of codes, versatility, only bad low light. Now the bad lowlight is gone. 10 bit 422 clean image and v-log on it.

The last B&h broadcast about gh5s showed me what could be donde and how much light it get gathered by this sensor. It is a clear indicator of the power of the sensor

Gotta love PB epic rant against lack of stabilizers
Which is right after his rant against the lack of it in the GH5s

I'm not sure who's buying this gear, but I would guess that a fair portion of the market is for serious amateurs, even for EVA1, etc., and a lot of ppl starting out can't always afford the high end gear. I mean, whose buying this stuff? Interesting question.

I know someone who'd just finished first year of film studies at uni and purchased an EVA1! :-o

and a consumer friendly codec or two.

ProRes LT isn't friendly enough?

Well, personally I don't really care about debating IBIS, but, ideally, being able to switch it on and off so its "really" off is what I would consider not only practical but desirable. Then switch it on if you need it. There's a lot of super high end gear that has a gyro in it that runs even if you turn it off, and I've seen this gear on some really high end sets. I don't think ppl think twice about it in many situations. Turning it off is just engineering. Simpler than designing the IBIS, for sure, to make a switchable version. Remember lock down mirrors? Those were the days when that was what ppl worried about. Want five axis stabization with a lockdown mode, well, hey, Arri makes one, so why not Panasonic. And Arri makes great stuff. Andthey aren't making those systems just so no one will use them.

@Ironfilm re: the sales--I'm not sure who's buying this gear, but I would guess that a fair portion of the market is for serious amateurs, even for EVA1, etc., and a lot of ppl starting out can't always afford the high end gear. I mean, whose buying this stuff? Interesting question.
Look at Blackmagic, it isn't expensive, it's very pro oriented, great quality, but they really don't target the mass market. They could be way higher in sales with just a few bells and gizmos, and a consumer friendly codec or two. Photo stacking, whatever.... Anyway, I'm happy if I can buy a six pack of cameras for cheap. Half of those have IBIS, half don't--the "near" cams are completely silent for close work, and the "far" cams are completely steady with a telephoto. A lot of my camcorders over the years had IBIS plus in the lens running all the time, and this was sold as a "pro" feature. A lot of those camcorders are used once a year for parties, but some of them made some great indie films.

Not sure I will see a difference with the "s" model, but I will of course rent it and test it for myself. After all, you can find any opinion on the web if you keep looking--it's fuzzy, it's sharp, etc. So I'll try it out.

Plus, who knows with the updates? I thought the G85 was crap when it came out, but when they fixed the IBIS it tuned into a really amazing camera with just a firmware update.

PS, I have to say I loved my 12mm on the GH2, so the wide sensor does get brownie points. Don't know why they went away from it, just get an Xacto knife and chop down the APSC from the Sony 6500.

They shouldn't have released this at all without IBIS.