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** FCP Update 2012 ** 10.0.3
  • Just posting here as I missed this TOTALLY!

    2012 Early Update- Bringing professional monitoring options! TTL!

    http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/software-update.html

    I shouldn't even be excited about this - but I am! ;-D
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  • @driftwood Im a bit naughty with the media thing... I worked out on day one of using FCPX to drop the media into the Original Media folder within the Event Folder. Only downside is that you have to restart FCPX to get it to see the media.

  • FCPX 10.3 is working very well on my Hackintosh. I'm particularly happy with the first incarnation of multicam as it syncs on audio and doesnt rely on you having all the same in/out points as with fcp. Works quite well so fare. So long as you give it a lot of time to import the media and sort out the syncing.

  • 5thwall

    Im also upgrading my RAM to 12gig... so this will all help... Crazy to imagine that you can fit 64gig even in old Mac Pros.

    I will let you know about how everything goes... I have read a few bad reports also regarding the 5770. This could also be due to the fact that the 8800 is dual precision while the 5770 isn't?

    Im currently on fcp 10.0.1 (don't want to raid the bank just yet)... but it is very stable... (and SL). Can't wait to get .3 working!

    One thing that interests me is Motion 5, coming from a heavy Quartz Programming background, I really like the integrated rendering engine.

    But if only Apple didn't screw up the launch- there would have been very little issues. Well- at least they got Conan talking about it!

  • @alcomposer

    I have the base 13" so single card. Just got Lion and FCP installed. It's running much better than the older system. And this one has the 8800GT in it. Haven't installed Kona drivers, yet. Turning off waveforms in the Library greatly helps lag time on both systems.

    I feel like this is the first time I've been able to get to really work in X since it was announced because the 10.0.3 update doesn't crash on me like the first ones did.

    Good luck with the 5770 and 8800 combo. I'm very curious to know how it works. I can't install another vid card in my system because of the Kona. Maybe I could swap the 8800 and 5770 between systems... hmmmmmmm....

  • @5thwall

    Seriously? I may leave the 8800GT in the computer and drive the displays off the 5770. (Hopefully OpenCL can run code on the 8800GT!

    If the Macbook Pro is running better this could be because of the dual graphics cards?

  • @alcomposer My 5770 system runs pretty slow with X (the old dual-dual core). Right now I'm setting up my 2008 8-core with an 8800GT and Lion on a repurposed hd. Looking forward to a speed increase.

    My Macbook Pro seems to run X better than the dual-dual core.

  • Been working this week solely in FCPX,.. is it just me or am I the only one that is finding it a breeze? And I only have an 8800GT?! (5770 in the mail...)

  • @itimjim let's hope! what are you finding the be some of the downsides of owning a hackintosh? is there a lot of fiddling when you have to update? wondering, do you know if I could use a Kona card on one?

  • Apple won't be moving away from Intel for a very very long time....if ever.

  • @5thwall As we know from apple- regardless for the Hackintosh... if apple change architecture then all the old macs will be EOL... (as in G3-G4-G5 etc) oh how I miss altivec!

  • @itimjim @alcomposer

    I've been very interested in building a Hackintosh for my next system ever since I built an HTPC for the living room. What are the downsides to having one? I'm just not interested in always tinkering with the system if there's an update that I need to do.

    I've been reading bits here and there on Lifehacker and other sites. I heard it's getting a lot easier to install. As long as Apple stays with Intel, we should be ok, I'm guessing.

  • 5770 is good, and low power too.

    You can put together a dual quad core (xeon E5620 2.4GHz 12MB cache) with 32GB RAM, 128GB SSD, 2TB storage and a Quadro 4000 for around $3000 US.

    You're probably looking at $6000 from Apple for the same. But yes, no shiny aluminium tower. Mines actually in a a 19" rack mounted case in a 14U server cabinet. No one is walking off with that!

  • @itimjim

    "The price to put all of this together is buttons in comparison."

    Yes but once you get to the new i7 etc, they are upwards of $1000 each! We all know that any new 2012 MP will be a crazy beast that would unfortunately cost the same to DIY, (including the alloy case that is... got to love the case)

    On a side note- just purchased a 5770 for my aging 8800GT :-D You think good? Was going to go for the 5870 but too expensive and as I only have a MP 2,1 I don't want to overcapitalize.

  • @alcomposer about Hackintosh.

    I'm running a 2 year old rig with OS X Lion with CS 5.5, and the damned thing is amazing.

    Specs: i5 750 Quad Core (2.6GHz), Asus P7P55D, 16GB RAM (1600MHz) ATI 5770 1GB Corsair M4 SSD (64GB) - OS and Apps 500 GB x 2 7.2k SATAII - Storage Hazro HZ27WC (27" 2560x1440, IPS - same as iMac)

    The price to put all of this together is buttons in comparison.

  • I think that for a 'client' to sit over your shoulder we will have to wait until 10.1. And the new Mac Pros (or whatever is next).

    The FCPX beast needs as much RAM-GPU-CPU-everything as possible...

    Don't worry - give it 5 months and we will be editing like Minority report!

    (on a side note- anyone notice the newest Adobe product???)

  • Ok, some good FCPX news tonight for a change. I tested multicam and it seems to be very intuitive. Mind you, I tested it with just 4 clips but here's the cool part... I used a Canon SD600, a Canon SD1100, and the GH2. I set the Time and Date on each cam to the same. Hit record for a minute or two. Mid-way through, I power-cycled one of the cams and then started recording it again. And they all synced up without having to do any legwork. Apparently, X can see the time-date stamp now, so that's a big help if you're helping shoot a friend's wedding and get stuck with a couple of different consumer cameras. Nice to know you have options, now. X also uses the audio to sync, so most likely, the two in combination will give you frame accurate sync between cameras when FCP lines them up.

    Cutting the multicam clip was very easy and actually (dare I say) intuitive. You can create a master audio track and only cut video. A master video track and only cut audio. Or both.

    Oh, and 7toX works fairly well. I transfered a 10-minute story that I cut for a news show on PBS. All the clips moved over and the sequences, too. There were a lot of little issues in the sequence. But the major things, like frame accuracy and layers, all seemed to transfer. But, the timeline was buggy. Lots of weird connection points with no clips attached. Philip said he's aware of it, so my guess is, there's a fix on the horizon. Also, b-roll clips didn't come through in the timeline with audio attached. So, I had to match-frame them and re-cut them in. All in all, it's a good start.

    Needless to say, I didn't have a client sitting over my shoulder and I don't know yet how you can f&! things up or un-f&! them up if you need to. But, let's just say, it was a good night and leave it at that ;)

  • @nomad

    I have been watching the 'hackintosh' movement quite a bit. Looks like it is extremely stable now. If there is no MacPro2012 no problem... just means that I get my next Mac Pro on the cheep (however the price of most multicore processors is nuts!)

    Personally I believe that the Mac Pros are late due to Thunderbolt. I can just see Apple having discussions about how to work this all out. (I know that this is a simple problem... just have it on the Motherboard etc... but we all know what Apple is like- that would mean a video out on the motherboard/ AND/ a graphics card! Maybe they are wanting NVidia or ATI to make a nice Thunderbolt card/video card combo thing?)

    Apple seem to be playing nicer with the school children lately anyway... (AJA etc)

  • @alcomposer it's a dual-dual core 3ghz. An older one. I have an 8 core as well, but it has to run FCP7. I'd upgrade the 8-core to Lion with a new drive, but they're too expensive now, so I'm waiting.

  • As it happens I just shot a music video last weekend so this multicam support came at a good time. I gave it a try last night, just a few of the angles we shot plus mixed audio. The interface is pretty slick, I like it. I don't know if we'll end up doing the whole video in FCPX or not but this was the first time I was actually enjoying myself inside FCPX rather than wishing I was on FCP7 or Premiere.

    For matching a ton of angles, Pluraleyes still seems faster to me, by the way.

  • Ive been working as a video editor at a broadcaster in the UK for some time and I have to say there is very little confidence over FCPX.

    I hope this is resolved soon or I'll be out of a job.

    Ive heard it will be, and we will find out at the trade shows this year about FCPX goodness and also Mac Pro updates. We'll see, I dont trust Apple one bit to deliver anything!

  • @sohus

    You wrote: "And a new Mac Pro will be released soon and all nervous nellies will be satisfied again."

    Forget it.

    The new Mac Pro (as Apple sees it) is any Mac with Thunderbolt plus lots of external hardware for the Pros.

  • Hey all right, I'll explain my reason for disliking FCP X... I was actually looking forward to it, A LOT, at first. I was hoping that Apple would repeat their success with Logic 8, which simplified the whole interface (without removing features) and was released at half the price of the old one. But the more I heard, the more I was worried. When it came out, it lacked so much that I wondered how Apple could release a product like that, so well, honestly the word I'm looking for is betrayed. Apple had made a software that was a such a downgrade in pro features that I need. I do a lot of multiple sequence editing (especially with FX heavier work, as it speeds up time for me) and I need XML and OMF support for sending to sound editors (I rarely do audio work myself) and that I couldn't export my timeline into After Effects for grading and mastering. It was a software that I and a majority of professionals couldn't use, at all. But now you say it was a "public beta" or a software "in development". I see your point, but being the son of an art director, it's still just sugar coating for saying that "it sucked when it came out". It's more accepted with consumer software, as development times tends to be shorter (with updates released often, a lot of patching and newer versions coming about every two years) but not with pro software. Here is an audience that uses software until an upgrade is absolutely needed (as with FCP 7 users) and we expect something that comes out and works straight out of the box. Having a lead time of 7 months is REALLY bad marketing in the pro circuit, because during that time, most people will in the best case stay with their old systems, or in the worst case, as their new software is sub-par move over to something else. Apple lost A LOT of customers with FCP X (a lot of production companies I work with have been FCP based but are now only Premiere based). The reason I'm so bitter about it is that Apple basically betrayed me. I loved FCP 7 when it came out and was a strong user for it, only wanting to switch now as it was really becoming way too slow... But alas, Apple for once did not deliver and they lost me.

  • I completely agree with @spewy... suffice to say that this is FCP from the ground up. However personally I was never really 'in love' with FCP.. or Avid.. or APP. So for me the change is very welcome.

    Also coming from audio land I want to be able to edit video like audio... unfortunately I may have got my wish!!

  • I started my editing career on Avid some time ago but over the last few years I've been editing on FCP on live sports events, I even used LW on a Profile hardware base until the switch to HD sunk that! (loved LW)

    I'd like to say that the use of FCPX on outside broadcasts for major companies like Sky has been discussed a lot recently but it really hasn't. Sky have seemed to of gone down the Avid route now, which is a shame because FCP7 integrated with EVS servers far easier than Avid does when you only need one edit or so. There are people who believe in FCPX has being perfect for the live OB environment but since we have no option to integrate with hardware servers that proliferate the OB scene because it lacks the XML then it has been largely dropped and Avid has filled the spaces.

    FCPX is an interesting tool but in the area of media I work in the lack of proper media management has caused it's demise. It's one thing being able to search your local iTunes and another thing being able to connect to proper kit like EVS servers or large tapeless media servers such as the ones used at Sky. Without those sorts of features it can't be taken seriously by major broadcasters and all the while that it lacks these things it is being replaced by units that can like Avids, even if they are harder to work with as an Editor.

    It will take years to get it's foot back in the door unless something amazing happens.

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