@Vitaliy...you underestimate the power of belonging. Even people who work at apple cleaning the bathrooms will protect the 1%. And the problem with the modern intellectual property system is that it's been hijacked by the corporations, not that it shouldn't exist. If corporations couldn't force their workers to sign away their rights, things would be different. And further , the only way to begin peeling all this back, is thru non participation. Every time someone uses a credit card , they shore up the system. Capitalism will only be put back into it's cage by denying it it's meal...or thermonuclear war.

Utopia ? I've lived w/o a credit card for 15 years...it doesn't suck. Get a debit card ! Every time someone charges , they borrow. Every time someone borrows they reinforce the system. In the usa, if you want to own a house, you have to make a contract with the banksters. In Mexico people never finance their homes. That's why there's so many homeless in the usa and almost none in mexico. As well, americans are always loosing their homes to the state, mostly for unpaid taxes. In Mexico, no one is ever deproperty-ized for not paying taxes, ever. I've known cases where property taxes are unpaid for 2 decades, and they still own the property. In michigan this last year, a man had his home confiscated by the state for underpaying his taxes by 8 dollars. And yes the people at apple cleaning their bathrooms will protect their bosses. Maybe not at amazon, but definitely at corporations such as apple...and many others. And if changing the system is based on denying intellectual property rights to the people who come up with the ideas, then what' s the impetus for invention ? Inventors have always benefited from their ideas, from bows and arrows up until corporations prevented them from doing so, beginning around the time of tesla. The only other alternative is the state owns everything, and that's the worst outcome of all. State's are the peoples worst enemy.

@kurth

A utopia is an imagined community or society that possesses highly desirable or nearly perfect qualities for its citizens.

No one talked about you, but you can't get same thing working with current society. It is just nice dreams.

In Mexico, no one is ever deproperty-ized for not paying taxes, ever. I've known cases where property taxes are unpaid for 2 decades, and they still own the property.

As guy who lives in country that slowly goes from Mexico to US state, I can assure you - if ruling class gains power it'll be like US or even worse.

And if changing the system is based on denying intellectual property rights to the people who come up with the ideas, then what' s the impetus for invention ? Inventors have always benefited from their ideas, from bows and arrows up until corporations prevented them from doing so, beginning around the time of tesla. The only other alternative is the state owns everything, and that's the worst outcome of all. State's are the peoples worst enemy.

Lets first make simplified definition of the state.

Modern state is nothing but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.

Did inventor of new arrow end manufacturing in ancient tribe had copyright? Nope.

Thing that you try to express is that you are being worried on that will happen if we'll leave capitalism intact but destroy patents and copyright. Well, big issues with capitalism will appear, as it is not sustainable state. So, either ruling class will be able to restore this things (despite society interests), or ruling class will stop be ruling class and will be repressed.

Due to way capitalism works - you can't go without credit being mass used tool. It is basics.

I know first hand. My field of working and traveling it's getting smaller and smaller.

The modern society it's built on a bubble artificially sustained( but i belive it's the best time to be alive never before we couldn't see such a wide view of history and life) witch sooner or later will broken...

Only gringos or europeans could say it's the best time to be alive. Ask the people working the trash dumps in Nairobi or Cairo how they're doing. In america the only people living happily productive lives outside the system are dumpster divers. The system makes certain of that. Marx was insightful about foreseeing where capitalism's final journey will take us, although during his time, credit for common people wasn't widespread nor necessary except as indentured slavery, which goes right to the point of who owned the means of production. Things didn't go south until banksters invented fractional reserve banking. Nevertheless I don't see anything utopic convincing the masses to abandon using their instruments of credit as a way to regain control, or rather to deny the elites power. Their power is fundamentally based on their owning the due note. Of course that's where we stand at the moment. In 30 years, when you're chipped and money is just digital noise, it'll be a far different war.

Only gringos or europeans could say it's the best time to be alive. Ask the people working the trash dumps in Nairobi or Cairo how they're doing.

Yes i'm european and i had a very hard life and i knew people ho lived from trash. I was referring to the curious and searching mind that never before could see understand and live so much. It's like being on a mountain and seeing the things from the valley of course in a selfish way because can't change nothing.

I am not sure that capitalism will survive till this moment.

You don't have to be a prophet it's almost obvious.

@kurth

I am much more optimistic :-)

While capitalism will try to turn into surveillance state with online transaction and realtime tracking, it will fail miserably.

It turns into such thing not because any tech progress thing, but due to constantly increasing inequality and shrinking number of big capitalists.

I think we'll soon see dramatic turn, it'll be tragedy for elites, tragedy of extreme proportions, one that exploiters will be telling to each other for thousands of years.