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Magix Vegas Pro 16, 15, 14 and formar Sony Vegas 13 topic
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  • @Vitaliy...they should keep it discounted and they'd make more money. $600 is simply too much. I look forward to 14, but as well, free editors are getting better and better. If it stays 600, I'd recommend putting those 6 bills in a better computer instead to run resolve. But the beauty of vegas is it needs so few resources.

  • The new Magix offer $199 instead of $599 for pro 13 (and a free 14 download in late September) ended on 31st of July. On the 1st of August that has changed to 'ends 30th of August'. Seems Magix is going to make Vegas more competitive. http://www.magix.com/index.php?id=22799&L=52&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=US_25_vcs_intro3&utm_content=vegas14

  • Magix has said they'll have a different offer in September for current owners of Vegas Pro 13. No word yet on pricing.

  • Acquisition of Sony Creative Software products: MAGIX announces the end of the transition phase and launches vegascreativesoftware.com

    MAGIX is presenting its new additions for the first time since the acquisition of a large portion of the Sony Creative Products portfolio.

    Three months after the official acquisition, the German software and app manufacturer MAGIX has announced the successful completion of a significant portion of the transition phase. The multiply awarded products VEGAS Pro, Movie Studio, ACID, and Sound Forge can now be found on the buyer’s web portals. At the same time, global sales were moved entirely to MAGIX.

    From now on, the renowned VEGAS Pro and Movie Studio video editing product lines will be sold by MAGIX under the umbrella brand “VEGAS Creative Software“. The website of the same name, vegascreativesoftware.com, went live just a few days ago. There the company will introduce the long-awaited new version VEGAS Pro 14 on September 20, 2016.

  • Vegas FB fanpage says it is 2 days to release Vegas Pro 14. So tomorrow..?

  • Hope so, is Magix presented at Photokina?

  • VP14 just released. http://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro/

    Supported formats (including RED camera):

    Import 4K XAVC S, 4K XAVC, XDCAM EX, XDCAM Optical, DV, HDV, AVCHD, NXCAM, MOV, MP4, WMV, MPEG-1/2/4, H.264/AVC, WAV, FLAC, AAC, MP3, OGG, WMA, Surround Sound/5.1, BMP, PNG, JPEG, TIFF, OpenEXR-, DPX- and WDP image sequences

    Export DVD, Blu-ray Disc, AVCHD Disc, (DV-)AVI, MJPEG, MXF, MOV, WMV, MPEG-1/2/4, H.264/AVC, H.265/HEVC, WAV, MP3, BMP, PNG, JPEG, TIFF, OpenEXR- , DPX- and WDP image sequences

  • I'm running the free trial while I wait for an upgrade offer which is supposed to be sent out in their newsletter soon (upgrade price TBD). So far basic Vegas Pro 13 projects have imported correctly, without errors. The OpenFX Filmconvert plugin seems to function without issue or the need for reinstallation. I rendered out 45 seconds of 4K material with the default HEVC profile (VBR w/40Mbps target, 80Mbps max) and it is taking my i7-4790 about 10 minutes to render (this is only with Filmconvert CC enabled). CPU utilization is 90-100%.

    I have read on their forum that HEVC hardware support is currently limited to Skylake CPUs. No word on whether AMD or Nvidia hardware support will be forthcoming in this version.

    4K 24P file sizes are averaging around 295 MB per minute. The frame quality is outstanding but playback is choppy on all of my media players. I will upload a sample to Vimeo to test out the file.

    ETA - The HEVC encoding option is Main only (8 bit 4:2:0), so 10 bit 4:2:2 option for export is not yet available. Here is a link to some 4K test footage that seems to play back fine in my browser -

  • @Tron

    You tried their native Video Pro X8 editor?

  • I do not see H265/HEVC as an import format. That is a big fail if true. I also do not see XAVC and its variants as export formats (they are in the current version). That is another fail. Or the list on their web site is incomplete. Can H265 video be imported or not?

    Also, I thought there was supposed to be native ProRes support. I do not see that in the list for import or export. What is going on? Indeed, I do not see anything worth upgrading for from Vegas Pro 13

  • I also just noticed that they fixed the bug associated with Panasonic file import (last frame duplicates beyond audio track length). That's a relief, as Sony seemed to make a conscious effort to ignore all requests for a fix.

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev I have not tried that editor, do you recommend?

  • I have not tried that editor, do you recommend?

    Well, try it. It has quite old history, but not widely used despite being pretty good for most tasks.

  • @markr041 I can confirm that HEVC file import is supported and playback is actually quite smooth in the timeline with no prerendering. Also, I just noticed that my GPU acceleration has been enabled for many sessions with zero crashes... that's a fucking first for me on this platform. I am running the AMD RX 480.

    Sony XAVC also remains as an export option. I have not tried ProRes import yet but have a feeling it works just fine and that their feature list is probably just incomplete (blame marketing?).

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev Thanks VK, I'll give it a try at some point.

  • I can confirm there is still a stability problem (crashing) with their image stabilization plugin. Certain subclips will have errors and crash while others will work just fine. The specific clips that crash are the same ones that gave me a problem on Vegas 13. I submitted a bug report but have no way of them contacting me back with an update :(

    I'll bug them about it in their forum. If that gets resolved I may run out of things to complain about for a little while.

  • @Tron how big of an improvement 14 is compared to 13 so far in your eyes,im long time vegas editor (even coloring) , but it just has this random hick up for no reason and wonder if these things have been ironed out now

  • I can confirm there is still a stability problem (crashing) with their image stabilization plugin.

    What kind of plugin? Just use Mercalli.

  • Genarts plugins give vegas hard time, really almost to no use real time..Magic bullet is ok ..Neatvideo tends to slow thing alot in vegas .

  • @sammy They've been emphasizing stability and performance improvements as a top priority and that does seem to be apparent with the bug fixing they listed. No crashes other than Vegas Stabilize with GPU acceleration turned on. I'm impressed with the preview speed on my older Haswell CPU / newer AMD GPU. My understanding is that Skylake machines may see a decent performance bump due to native HEVC support.

    @Vitaliy_Kiselev They list Mercalli V4 as the default stabilization plugin in the marketing list but I only see 'Vegas Stabilize' showing up in the Media FX plugin chain. Not sure if its just rebranded Mercalli plugin or a different option altogether that's not available in the trial version. 'Sony Stabilize' was the previous plugin name and it exhibited the exact same symptoms in VP 13.

  • @Tron

    Magix products usually upon registering allow to download extra content, must be it.

    I don't think that former Sony plugin is better or same as Mercalli.

  • OK, good to know. I just have the basic Vegas Pro 13 Edit, so that may be why I don't have any Mercalli versions on my machine. I'll have to consider stepping up to the full version if it provides Mercalli and the upgrade price isn't outrageous.

  • @Tron Thanks for the info on output and input formats. It is odd that their own list is incomplete. Yes, Vegas Pro Edit does not have Mercalli version 4 stabilization; you do have to step up (pay more).

  • Is r3d correctly supported now?

  • @markr041 Thanks for the info, its probably time I get with a better stabilizer anyway. @plasmasmp Here are the release notes, some Red updates are in there - https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-14-0-build-161-released--103567/

    Improved support for clips from RED ONE, EPIC, SCARLET, and WEAPON cameras. Added Post lift, Post gamma, Post gain, and Dragon enhanced blacks controls to the R3D Decode Properties dialog. Fixed an issue that caused certain clips to fail to load on upgraded RED WEAPON cameras with older firmware. Fixed a crash that could occur when loading certain old RED ONE clips. Fixed a color cast that could occur in clips shot with RED Motion Mount on the latest camera firmware.

    I also directly compared the Sony XAVC S Long GOP output to HEVC. Quality seems the same to my eyes. XAVC file size was 624MB compared to 220MB for HEVC. The HEVC also took twice as long to render.

  • I did some testing of Vegas Pro 14. So far so good. It's very similar to Vegas Pro 13, with many of the same bugs and quirks.

    ProRes import is working correctly in Vegas Pro 14. Levels are mapped correctly and 10-bit precision is maintained. That wasn't the case with Vegas Pro 13 and QuickTime.