Color grading http://personal-view.com/talks/categories/color-grading/p2/feed.rss Mon, 29 Apr 24 16:31:09 +0000 Color grading en-CA LUT for changing Rec 709 to look like VLOG http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/18054/lut-for-changing-rec-709-to-look-like-vlog Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:37:17 +0000 Brian_Siano 18054@/talks/discussions I'm working on a project where I have to match some GH4 VLOG footage to that of another, non-VLOG, rec 709 Panasonic camera. It occurred to me that, rather than making the VLOG stuff match the other camera, I could take the rec 709 footage and make it appear more like uncorrected VLOG. This way, I could apply the same LUTs to all of my footage, and it'd roughly match.

I've done a few experiments, and the results are promising. Using curves, I raise the blacks and lower the whites, and make a few other adjustments. When I apply the basic Panasonic VLOG LUT to the footage, it's a fairly close match. But I'd really like a LUT that does this.

Are there any LUTs that reduce Rec 709 footage to something that's fairly close to uncorrected VLOG footage?

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Looking for Davinci Resolve 14 Beta 3,4,5,6... http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/17618/looking-for-davinci-resolve-14-beta-3456...- Sun, 27 Aug 2017 10:06:49 +0000 TrackZillas 17618@/talks/discussions Hey guy's I'm currently looking for Davinci Resolve 14 Beta 3 - 4 - 5 or 6 for mac osx. If anybody could post a download link for me that would be awesome. Blackmagic don't have them posted any longer.

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LOG vs. LINEAR vs. LUTs vs. Math: Battle ROYALE!!!!! http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/13674/log-vs.-linear-vs.-luts-vs.-math-battle-royale Tue, 08 Sep 2015 05:23:21 +0000 shian 13674@/talks/discussions Soooooo..... lotta debate going on, lotta maths and such being tossed about, lotta newbs trying to wrap their heads around the new color space. So let's get it on.

So when grading @driftwood's V-log Shogun footage, I discovered that the Panasonic provided Varicam V-log LUT did an ok job of remapping the luminance and color values into a linear space, but didn't put the highlights quite where i though they should go. (unless of course the footage was really that grossly underexposed, which might be the case, but maybe no)

So I remember Panny saying something about V-log being very close to Cineon, so I tried that, and it delivers a very nice image with a lot of density in the image, but pretty dark. (Again might be underexposure)

S-log did a really nice job of mapping out a full range, but until I shoot bracketed footage and determine just where the sweet spots are, there's no way to tell which LUTs are best for putting V-log L into Linear to begin grading.

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Vigilante Diaries http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15415/vigilante-diaries Sun, 24 Jul 2016 19:56:27 +0000 shian 15415@/talks/discussions As a colorist, your work does not often get reviewed... but if it does it's usually cuz you did something really right, or really wrong. In this case I smiled and gave ColorGHear a little punch in the shoulder. All the stills they presented are from the portion of the film I graded.

http://doblu.com/2016/07/21/vigilante-diaries-blu-ray-review

Discs like Vigilante Diaries are why people will spend tens of thousands on their home theater. It’s an in-your-face demo with perfect contrast and amazing color saturation. "

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How to setup Dell U2410 wide gamut monitor for color grading in CS6 and Resolve? http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/6793/how-to-setup-dell-u2410-wide-gamut-monitor-for-color-grading-in-cs6-and-resolve Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:57:21 +0000 inqb8tr 6793@/talks/discussions As my main monitor I use Dell U2410 connected via DVI to a hackintosh OSX ML. Since Premiere CS6 is not color managed as far as I know, I usually switch to sRGB profile of the monitor to get normal color saturation. It is a simulation of sRGB color space, but it is somehow "mushy". If I leave it at AdobeRGB preset mode that I use for everything else, colors of the video are over saturated, like any other non managed srgb content on a wide gamut monitor.

I need some advice here, can I somehow adapt my workflow to stay in AdobeRGB profile of the Dell monitor, and to have an accurate representation of colors in my editing and grading software (resolve)?

I don't have an external grading monitor, nor I plan to get one anytime soon. I don't need absolute accuracy here, only some decent reference point.

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AI-based approach to give you natural colors without much effort http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16980/ai-based-approach-to-give-you-natural-colors-without-much-effort Sun, 21 May 2017 19:52:52 +0000 nomad 16980@/talks/discussions I recently tested a nice plug-in for FCP-X from Lemke Software (Mac enthusiasts might still remember Grafikkonverter from them). It's called EPICOLOR (the author insists on upper case) and is an AI-based algorithm to mimic what our brain does when we perceive colors correctly under changing lighting conditions – as opposed to our cameras. He claims 15 years of work went into it.
Currently it's available for FCP-X and Motion, but a version for DaVinci Resolve is going to follow – only MacOS for the time being. The effect is subtle on images where colors are already quite right, they'll just look a bit fresher, more natural and vivid (no, it's not a simple change of saturation). Have a look at what it can do to seriously screwed colors like film from decades ago at their website ( epicolor.film ). BTW, if it comes up in black on an iOS device, just tap that again.

Apart from screwed colors it can handle log just as well, and there it begins to shine even if your colors are already correct or in the ballpark. IMHO it's a perfect solution when you don't have the time and money for serious color grading and just want natural colors. Of course it can also be the starting point for stylized grading, like all professional colorists would first make a neutral look before going into style.

Just check it out, they have linked an article of mine too in German, but the site is in English. For disclosure: I don't get any money from them, just got one reviewer's license for my article. I also helped him with a few suggestions, like handling superwhites (e.g. from Sony cameras) gracefully.

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"If it's purple, someones gonna die" - a useful guide to cinematic colour use http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16765/if-its-purple-someones-gonna-die-a-useful-guide-to-cinematic-colour-use Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:03:09 +0000 andyharris 16765@/talks/discussions I bought this book and read it over the weekend:

https://designvisualuff.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/if-its-purple-someones-gonna-diethe-power-of-color-in-visual-storytelling-2005.pdf

It's a useful guide to why colours are chosen, and, how they have worked their way into our visual literacy. It reads easily and one can easily see the points raised in the context of each film discussed.

Putting that new knowledge into practice seems way more difficult, since you'll find orange and green used in many different ways - context is everything (probably).

I would say the PDF is well worth a glance over a cuppa.

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Has anyone else had problems with VisionColor's after-sales support? http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16646/has-anyone-else-had-problems-with-visioncolors-after-sales-support Mon, 27 Mar 2017 08:50:03 +0000 a_fulda 16646@/talks/discussions I am posting this since I am really frustrated with the after-sales support from VisionColor. I bought their product ImpulZ - Ultimate for €99 in January 2015. Since I got a new MacBook Pro with macOS Sierra I can not reinstall ImpulZ. When contacting VisionColor for support on 17 March -- which is ten days ago -- I received an automatically generated email that read

"Your request (xxxx) has been received. Due to our current development schedule response time can be up to 21 days. If your request is urgent please go through our knowlege base articles or post to our forums at http://support.vision-color.com. To add additional comments, reply to this email."

Based on comments on their website other users have encountered the same problem (https://visioncolor.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/115000159505-Can-t-install-ImpulZ). It is difficult to understand why it should take three weeks to email out a link to a properly functioning working installer for ImpulZ. Btw, my follow-up email from 21 March was ignored.

So be mindful that when you buy software from VisionColor. If you are bit unlucky -- just like me and many other users who upgraded to macOS Sierra -- you may not be able to use your product very long.

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Automated color grading http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2237/automated-color-grading Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:10:13 +0000 pwc 2237@/talks/discussions A while ago I came across a technique to transfer the look of one photo onto another.

It was described in the following paper "Automated Colour Grading using Colour Distribution Transfer” by F. Pitié & al.

Although there already were other similar techniques, none of them seemed as promising as this one because not only was the color palette of the source image transferred to the target image, but also its average luminance and contrast. I decided to give it a try. I programmed the algorithm with of few tweaks of my own and applied it to a bunch of random photos taken from the Internet.

Below is a Vimeo video showing the results of the experiment:

  • in the first part I applied the look of 70 different source images onto the same target image,
  • in the second part I did the opposite: I applied the look of one unique source image onto 70 different target images,
  • finally in the last part I cross-processed a few pairs of images, exchanging their roles as source or target,
  • all photos were processed with the same standard parameters and the results are raw without any post-processing.

Bottom line: although the technique doesn’t work every time, it has a high success rate and delivers very convincing results on stills.

Next step: see if it holds up on real footage.

Vimeo clip (password: photolook) :

Enjoy!

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Color Grading Discussions http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16428/color-grading-discussions Tue, 07 Feb 2017 12:19:29 +0000 shian 16428@/talks/discussions So I've been put in charge of the color grading area of this forum... I only accepted because VK and I share a vision about the discourse of this particular portal. So let me "lay down the law" so to speak.

I believe in free speech, the open exchange of ideas and information. I believe in a free market, and competition. And I value those who are unafraid to challenge established methods and platforms; ColorGHear would not exist without these windows of freedom. I came out of the dark with a lot of crazy ideas and techniques that many scoffed at, but were again and again proven effective. As have others with their ideas.

That being said; the downside of free speech is that everyone believes their opinions and ideas are just as valid as everyone else's, and should carry equal weight. But there are such things as bad ideas and bad opinions. Add in trolls and those whose aim is not to add to the discussion, but to just fan the flames of discourse, and the result is a frustrating forum and a lot of bad information you have to waste time sifting through.

I hope to change that. I won't act against anyone just because they disagree with me, only if I feel that the posted information is counter productive and will erode the integrity of the discussion. In the past I have myself engaged in inflammatory posts in an effort to get people to really question things. I can't say I won't ever do that again. If you allow yourselves to get locked into one dimensional thinking, then I may become inspired to pry your minds open again. :) But for the most part, I'm passed that.

Let's try to make this category a valuable and reliable resource people can count on for solid info and techniques along with the crazy ideas that push the envelope. Just be able to back up your crazy idea(s) with some evidence that it is actually effective... or you'll likely meet with some pushback.

So here's a few things I think are important to focus on to keep the art of color grading moving forward:

Reliable and consistent ACES workflow ideas.

Reliable and consistent V-log and S-log (and any other log) Workflows.

Complete abandonment of outdated linear video capture for Log.... and accordingly; complete abandonment of platforms and capture systems that don't utilize LUT viewing technology.

Complete abandonment of 8 bpc and 16 bpc workspaces for 32bits per channel workspaces.

Abandonment of H264 codecs for H265 and better.

Abandonment of rec709 for rec2020.

Abandonment of 422 8bit capture and delivery, for 10bit 422 and better capture and 444 delivery.

I'd like to see the focus of this category pushed heavily into these areas, as they are the future of what we do with regards to color.

My reasoning for such high quality workflows is that you want to start your delivery with the highest quality file you can possibly produce and then downgrade only as necessary.

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Panasonic Vlog: matching non-Vlog footage http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16451/panasonic-vlog-matching-non-vlog-footage Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:40:50 +0000 Brian_Siano 16451@/talks/discussions I'm working on a project where we shot with three Panasonic cameras: a GH4, a GH2, and a GX7. On the GH2 and GX7, we used the Standard setting, but I decided to try using Vlog on the GH4.

Obviously, my question's about matching the color grades. I can't see to find a set of settings or a LUT that would take my GH4 footage and conform it to the standard Panasonic curves in any consistent way. The LUTs that are closest-- the standard Vlog to v35, Balazar's luts-- have two faults: they're a bit greyish in the low end, and they're actually kind of dim, so I have to adjust the floor and boost the low-to-midranges.

Seems to me that there ought to be a LUT that accurately brings the Vlog footage to something very close to Standard. Any suggestions?

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Reference level white card http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16386/reference-level-white-card Mon, 30 Jan 2017 04:54:52 +0000 Vitaliy_Kiselev 16386@/talks/discussions image

Among everything you can use for white balance card PTFE is usually best. Just make sure that it is not too shiny to reflect light spots.

Reason for this is

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In visible range it has exceptional uniformity, so it reflect exactly only light source spectrum, contrary to most white paper that can play trick due to UV agents added to boos perceived whiteness. Here is sample of paper (they are all different, btw):

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Do not use too thin PTFE items - use 2mm or more.

Price is around $6 for 100x100 sheet.

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Using Neat Video on GH4 VLOG footage http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16173/using-neat-video-on-gh4-vlog-footage Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:08:42 +0000 Brian_Siano 16173@/talks/discussions I have some V-log footage where color grading and applying a LUT has made it a bit grainy. I'd like to reduce that with Neat Video. But my question is, which do I apply first?

Do I apply Neat Video on the V-log footage, and then apply a LUT? Or, do I apply a LUT and color correction, and let Neat go to work on the more visible grain and noise?

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Seeking feedback for a new video color correction system [closed] http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/16114/seeking-feedback-for-a-new-video-color-correction-system-closed Mon, 28 Nov 2016 14:22:03 +0000 balazer 16114@/talks/discussions The early feedback period has closed. Thanks to everyone who participated. The system will be posted publicly when it is ready.


I'm working on a new color correction system, and looking to do a bit of market research and get user feedback. Participants will get early access to the system.

Please send me a private message to participate.

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Color grading in FCP X with Color Finale http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15985/color-grading-in-fcp-x-with-color-finale Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:09:14 +0000 MikeLinn 15985@/talks/discussions

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Cost of Grading a 90 min feature http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15964/cost-of-grading-a-90-min-feature Sun, 30 Oct 2016 23:00:48 +0000 zcream 15964@/talks/discussions So I tried for pretty much this last year to CC and grade my feature. But I have realized its better to get it done from a professional. Have to warn you - about 6 mins of the film use footage that is incorrectly exposed and WB'ed.

So what will it cost me ? I would have to send you the hard disk and then get back the finished film.

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8 bit vs 10 bit Cameras from Two View Points http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15918/8-bit-vs-10-bit-cameras-from-two-view-points Fri, 21 Oct 2016 21:59:13 +0000 MikeLinn 15918@/talks/discussions

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Boomerang http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15881/boomerang Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:44:25 +0000 shian 15881@/talks/discussions It's nice to finally be getting clients who are educated in the realm of color, and just want to turn you loose. In this case JW had a very specific vision and a 40 page PDF that scared away every other colorist... I had fun with it. Shot on A7S, 1080, graded using ColorGHear in Resolve 12.

http://www.baeblemusic.com/musicblog/10-13-2016/baeble-first-play-boomerang-by-jw-cudd.html

Sorry there's no vimeo or youtube link to embed yet... exclusive world premiere nonsense.... as soon as there is a link, I'll embed it.

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Any tips on getting this look? http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15789/any-tips-on-getting-this-look Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:45:22 +0000 suresure123 15789@/talks/discussions If you don't know the show I recommend it. The Night Of has a great credits intro. I know some is slowed down and is mainly a slider. But how do you think it could be replicated in editing? The things I like are the uneven moving light and the snowflake effect going on. I assume they used a plugin and was wondering how I might get at least 90% of the look in post and does anyone recommend any plugins.

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The ColorChecker Video Workflows http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15345/the-colorchecker-video-workflows Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:33:54 +0000 MikeLinn 15345@/talks/discussions The ColorChecker Video Workflow - Premiere, FCPX and Resolve

The ColorChecker Video Workflow with DaVince Resolve

The ColorChecker Video Workflow with Premiere Pro

The ColorChecker Video Workflow with FCPX

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About LUTs - VLOG - SLOG2 - SLOG3 - CLOG http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/14650/about-luts-vlog-slog2-slog3-clog Thu, 25 Feb 2016 00:40:41 +0000 apefos 14650@/talks/discussions while hdr video is not real, it seems the best way to increase dynamic range is to use slog, vlog and clog.

When we record video using vlog, slog or clog, does sony, canon and panasonic provide luts for we apply in post production? or we need to develop our custom luts? or we need to buy luts?

I ask this because I think if we need to develop luts it will be a long waste of time... and if we use third part luts maybe it will not have the look we want...

so main question is about if manufacturers provide luts for post production. and, if not, what would be the easy solution...

if someday I surrender myself to slog, vlog or clog, I would like to have easy solution for luts in post... not a waste of time in each scene...

please share your experience with luts,

thanks in advance!

(observation: when I say luts I just what to recover the correct look from the log image, not different grading)

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Color matching of two cameras http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15294/color-matching-of-two-cameras Wed, 29 Jun 2016 01:50:59 +0000 MikeLinn 15294@/talks/discussions

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How could I replicate this look? http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/15259/how-could-i-replicate-this-look Tue, 21 Jun 2016 08:26:43 +0000 Gardner 15259@/talks/discussions I've seen a lot of films with this type of grade. Does anyone know how they pull this off? Everything is sort of a tan color and the skin tones are lovely.

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Matching a7s and gh4? http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/11293/matching-a7s-and-gh4 Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:59:07 +0000 kupchenpo 11293@/talks/discussions Is anyone else using these 2 cameras together? If so, what settings are you using to get them as close as possible for post? What post processes are you using to match?

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Best Practices for Color Grading with LUTs http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/13335/best-practices-for-color-grading-with-luts Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:46:35 +0000 MikeLinn 13335@/talks/discussions

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Jericho Color Grading http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/14829/jericho-color-grading Sat, 19 Mar 2016 01:58:13 +0000 MikeLinn 14829@/talks/discussions

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memPICKER: memorize screen changes for individual points of color http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/14484/mempicker-memorize-screen-changes-for-individual-points-of-color- Mon, 25 Jan 2016 09:14:41 +0000 tida 14484@/talks/discussions Please look at: http://m2port.com/mempicker_help.html

Would appreciate some feedback if it works well on your (Win or Mac) platform.

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memPICKER is a pixel picker tool useful for color correction, color grading and color analysis. memPICKER is able to track screen changes with up to 50 individual points and save them into a data file. Download memPICKER as Donationware for OSX and Windows platforms.

  • Press 'a' on keyboard to add new pixel location, memPICKER dialog has to be selected
  • Double-Click onto displayed values to delete all pixel locations
  • Click onto Graph to select pixel location and display its color values
  • Click 'Append' button to add RGB values and X,Y location into Data.TXT file.
  • Click 'Save' button to save Data.TXT file onto same folder where the application is located.

Below you can see just a quick demonstration about evaluation of Colorchecker Charts (24 pixel points) in Excel for different Camera types.

Source: Studio Test Scenes for different Cameras by dpreview at http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7r-ii/5

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SpeedGrade http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2735/speedgrade Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:33:45 +0000 stoney 2735@/talks/discussions I'm getting curious how this wonderful colorgrading tool would be integrated into the upcoming CS6. It would be really nice if it can import PremierePro project and preserve PP timeline composition. Sorta mimicking how AE CS5.x imports PP CS5.x project. Adobe FTW!!!

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/no-stupid-questions-with-colin-smith/introduction-to-speedgrade/

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GH4 vlog and ImplulZ LUT workflow http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/13983/gh4-vlog-and-implulz-lut-workflow- Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:19:10 +0000 Alexauwa 13983@/talks/discussions I have seen some pretty good results with VisionColors LUTs specially ImplulZ.

I'd like to open this thread to share experience. Specially on the gh4 workflow with vlog.

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Where's a good explanation of v-log? http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/13641/wheres-a-good-explanation-of-v-log Tue, 01 Sep 2015 13:04:08 +0000 Brian_Siano 13641@/talks/discussions I think I'm misunderstanding something about the virtues of v-log and flat profiles. If someone could explain this to me, I'd be grateful.

This is what I think is going on. V-log delivers a very flat image, where the darkest elements are greyish, and the lightest elements are bright, but not completely blown out. This enables color graders to "stretch" those values, and thus, have some play with the midrange gamma. But doesn't this mean that the color palette leaves out a lot of value?

I don't mean that it leaves out the highs and lows. It seems to me that if you take a narrow range of luminance, and scale it to a larger range, you don't get pixels with in-between values. Say I have a photo with luminance ranges from 0 to 100, and I scale that to 0-200. Thus, each luminance value would be doubled: 1 becomes 2, 3 becomes 6, 42 becomes 82, etc.) There'd be no real increase in the range of luminances. And in some circumstances, you'd get banding if the jump is too big.

And if this is the case., then why compress the luminances into such a narrow range? Why not scale it to the camera's full luminance range, and preserve as much of the "in -between" luminances as possible? If your camera has a range of, say, 1-1000, then why reduce the image to 300-700?

As I said, I don't think I'm understanding this correctly. Anyone got a good FAQ?

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